Timegraph the Trolls: AN ENDEAVOR AND ITS THREAD

[Ischaldirh]

Seeing as there's plenty of time-dickery happening in the current plotline, as seems to happen frequently in MSPA... I propose someone come up with some kind of timeline as seen from the PoV of the trolls.

I would offer to do this... however... I'm far to busy (and, currently, drunk) to do it myself, and in addition this is my first post and I'd never dare to try to come in with such a showstopper.


Oh. Also, Hi, I'm new here.

[Marelo]

Apparently very new! This is in the wrong place. I'll move it for you, but I suggest you peruse the Introduction Thread to get a better handle on the... architecture? That's a good word. To get a better handle on the architecture of the fora.

I'll also edit the title to better reflect the content.

[Nopad]

I would insert some sort of programming joke here, but I confess that I do not know enough computers to make a good enough joke.

[fivexthethird]

I have no idea what this thread is about
From marelo's post i think it's an introduction thread
so hi

[Marelo]

I have no idea what this thread is about

I propose someone come up with some kind of timeline as seen from the PoV of the trolls.

Seems pretty clear to me!

[LegoTechnic]

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

Tenebrais's troll tracker (reference)

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CarcinoGeneticist starts out straight backwards, then deviates into a back-and-forth mess a few times. Order may be off in regards to Jade's conversations, but John's are easily ordered from context. I think the ultimate irony here is that he was apparently a John troll, but eventually started trolling Jade because John said he did. Conversation is numbered (#) in John's temporal order (so conversation #1 is the first time they pestered from John's perspective), while the list descends in cG's chronological order meaning the top entry in the list is cG's earliest conversation from his perspective, and the bottom of the list is his latest.

cG -> John conversation #9 -- John's distant future, cG's first trolling of John.
cG -> John conversation #8 part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, -- cG's 2nd conversation
cG -> John conversation #4
cG -> John conversation #5 -- breaks the backwards pattern
cG -> John conversation #6 part 1, 2
cG -> John conversation #3
cG -> John conversation #2
cG -> John conversation #1
cG -> John conversation #7
cG -> Dave conversation #?
cG -> John/Dave memo (extension of John conversation #7)

<not entirely sure when cG's conversations with Jade take place related to John. Just assuming some kind of backwards convention, though he obviously breaks that from context.>

cG -> Jade conversation #x? (presumed) -- cG will have been an ass
cG -> Jade conversation #2
<large break in time here with the above conversations being before cG trolls John and the below occurring after>
cG -> Jade conversation #1
cG -> Jade conversation #4 (unseen) -- cG will pester Jade far in the future to find out how to get ahold of her in the past
cG -> Jade conversation #3 (unseen) -- Jade will ask cG what to do after her robot explodes


GrimAuxiliatrix's order is given in her seventh conversation with Rose, which is Rose's second conversation with gA, and following that given at the moment. Lots of skipping. Conversation # is given from Rose's point of view while the list descends in gA's chronological order. Her conversations with Dave and John are inserted.

gA -> "Rose" conversation #3 -- actually John conversation #2 -- Kanaya's edit of events here.
gA -> tA conversation #1 -- F1 bonk
gA -> John conversation #1 -- with ghostlyTrickster -- also pestered Dave and Jade but not counting them as conversations currently.
gA -> Rose conversation #1
gA -> Rose conversation #4
gA -> Rose conversation #5 to #7 -- skipped
gA -> Dave conversation #1 -- more than likely her 2nd conversation with him, but we may have skipped the 1st one.
gA -> Rose conversation #2
gA -> Rose conversation #8 part 1, 2
gA -> Rose conversation #9 to #15 -- assumedly skipped
gA -> Rose conversation #16 part 1, 2, 3, 4


AdiosToreador seems to give it a go, fail, and then ask Rose for help before returning to sick burn Dave, though he jumps around afterwards.

aT -> Dave conversation #1
aT -> Rose conversation #1
aT -> Dave conversation #2
aT -> Jade conversation #1
aT -> Jade conversation #2 (unseen) -- Conversation with Jade in the distant future, after cG talks to her again


GallowsCallibrator is linear by her own admission. And we can trust her, right? >_>
It's amusing how she's the origin of John's EctoBiologist screen name.

gC -> Dave conversation #1
gC -> John conversation #1 -- the best actual trolling attempt in the comic so far.
gC -> Rose conversation #1
gC -> Rose conversation #2 (presumed) -- a couple of seconds later for Terezi, much longer for Rose
gC -> John conversation #2
gC -> John conversation #3 part 1, 2, 3
gC -> Rose conversation #? (unseen) - future conversation for violin's captcha code (likely skipped)
gC -> Dave conversation #? (unseen) - future conversation for cinder block's captcha code (likely skipped)
gC -> Jade conversation #? (unseen) - future conversation for flower pot's captcha code (likely skipped)
gC -> John conversation #4 part 1, 2, 3
gC <- Davesprite conversation #1
gC -> John conversation #5
gC -> Dave conversation #2
gC -> Dave conversation #3
gC -> Dave conversation #4 part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
gC -> Dave conversation #5
gC -> Dave conversation #6 part 1, 2


ArachnidsGrip's order is who the hell knows.

aG -> John conversation #2
aG -> John conversation #3 part 1, 2, 3
aG -> John conversation #4 part 1, 2, 3 -- Pails... So indecent!
aG -> John conversation #5 part 1, 2
aG -> John conversation #6 part 1, 2, 3, 4
aG <- John conversation #7 part 1, 2
aG <- John conversation #8 part 1, 2, 3
aG -> John conversation #1? (presumed) <-- did she later threaten to kill John in his past, or is he mistaking her for Terezi?


ApocalypseArisen is assumedly trolling futilely.

aA -> Rose conversation #1 part 1, 2


ArsenicCatnip has pestered Rose on more than one occasion (at the least to talk to Jaspersprite), and has also roleplayed with Purrmusk/Dave (and possibly the others).

aC -> Rose conversation #??


TerminallyCapricious is having a crisis of faith.

tC -> Dave conversation #2?
tC -> Dave conversation #1 (unseen) -> Dave's past, where Gamzee becomes "the best troll".


CentaursTesticle has apparently been fooled in the past by John and Rose, and perhaps Dave/Jade as well.

cT -> Dave conversation #1 part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5


CaligulasAquarium has what seems to be a very brief trolling experience.

cA -> Rose conversation #1 --> BOOM


CuttlefishCuller trolls your dreams!

cC -> Jade conversation #1 (unseen) - Feferi calls Bec a lusus
cC -> Jade conversation #2
cC -> Jade conversation #3? part 1, 2, 3, 4 - nightmare variant of first conversation



Tenebrais' flowchart

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Red Crimson
Orange Brown
Yellow Gold
Lime Olive
Green Fern
Turquoise Salem
Cyan Teal
Azure Orient
Blue Navy
Rose Burgundy

[Zeke]

GallowsCallibrator is linear by her own admission. And we can trust her, right? >_>
It's amusing how she's the origin of John's EctoBiologist screen name.

I dunno man. Sounds like risky business.

[Eyes5]

Now the hard part is organizing the Trolls' conversations in relation to each other! I don't think we have enough information to ever do this accurately. But we know that what gC's attempt to kill John happened before cG's 2nd John conversation, and this 2nd conversation happens during or slightly after a future conversation with gC in which John tells her to punch cG.

Oh also, you might want to insert a Jade conversation #?? in the cG list. This would be when he asks her in the future how to get in touch with her and she tells him to tell her past self about her robot exploding.

[ChessElemental]

When does Jade send the package to John? You know, the package that Jack is so surprised about. That would be the point in time where Jade "FUCK[S] EVERYTHING UP," so I'm curious to see how close that point is to cG's last conversation with her (his first appearance from our perspective).

[LegoTechnic]

When does Jade send the package to John? You know, the package that Jack is so surprised about. That would be the point in time where Jade "FUCK[S] EVERYTHING UP," so I'm curious to see how close that point is to cG's last conversation with her (his first appearance from our perspective).

We've no way of knowing that currently. We can't even make educated guesses since we have no idea what kind of mail pickup her island even has, let alone what mail service she uses (if any).

Updating for Eye5. I kind of expect cG's list to explode outward later, but then only gA was kind enough to give us a list to work with, not that I don't expect her to insert conversations willy-nilly anyway.

[Eyes5]

When does Jade send the package to John? You know, the package that Jack is so surprised about. That would be the point in time where Jade "FUCK[S] EVERYTHING UP," so I'm curious to see how close that point is to cG's last conversation with her (his first appearance from our perspective).

We've no way of knowing that currently. We can't even make educated guesses since we have no idea what kind of mail pickup her island even has, let alone what mail service she uses (if any).

Updating for Eye5, soon as I figure out where you mean. ;p

I think a definite Jade conversation #?? can be inserted in the cG list where you have <lots of stuff here>.

If you want, you can make the list a little more comprehensive if you provide a brief summary of their content beside each conversation. If you're not too busy, that is. Thanks for all this work.

[LegoTechnic]

I think a definite Jade conversation #?? can be inserted in the cG list where you have <lots of stuff here>.

If you want, you can make the list a little more comprehensive if you provide a brief summary of their content beside each conversation. If you're not too busy, that is. Thanks for all this work.

Done.

I don't think a summary would do much good since the conversations themselves are linked, and Andrew's writing is fun. Maybe a snippet, I guess... Also I'm completely aware that there are a apparently a huge series of troll conversations in the distant past we haven't seen, such as the conversation where one thinks Dave is a girl, but I don't really see a need to mention those unless they show, right? We work with what we have. ;p

I'mmasleepnow...

[Takorii]

It's amusing how she's the origin of John's EctoBiologist screen name.

Well actually to me this suggests she had one (or more) conversations with future John before all of her 'linear' ones. So she at first saw him as ectoBiologist, then saw him as ghostyTrickster, then told John he was an insult to the field of ectobiology (or whatever) which gave John the idea to change it.

Which is cool 'cause that's some kind of reciprocal loop. (Is there any other kind of loop???)

[Schazer]

You guys are making this loads easier to understand

Also (and I wouldn't've found it if it weren't for you wonderful people):

I MEAN, WHEN YOU TROLL SOMEONE YOU JUST SORT OF DO IT. YOU DON'T START DRAWING FLOWCHARTS AND DIAGRAMS AND STUFF.

[A Fan]

Ah, but the best way to troll the flowchart-less is with flowcharts! I even have a flowchart to prove it!

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I don't really have a flowchart to prove it

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[Tenebrais]

Did I hear the words flowcharts and diagrams and stuff?

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Bam. There may be some inaccuracies (we've no confirmation at all of how AT is going but he seems to go that way) but this is how it looks.

[Guest Bern]

Given the recent discussion in the last update forum about people having a harde time figuring out who is who in TrollLand and knowing that said thread will soon get locked and be forgotten, I think it might be helpfull to add here a few more general things...

Tenebrais trool tracker

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And Shadow of the Lotus pics of the trolls:

grimAuxiliatrix:

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carcinoGeneticist:

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gallowsCalibrator:

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adiosToreador:

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[Stephen]

Quirky.

[Teksura]

GallowsCallibrator is linear by her own admission. And we can trust her, right? >_>
It's amusing how she's the origin of John's EctoBiologist screen name.

gC -> John conversation #1 (the best one!)
gC -> Rose conversation #1
gC -> John conversation #2
gC -> John conversation #3
Davesprite -> gC conversation #1

There is a big gap in John conversation #3 for her though as she goes off to get the code. For John, the conversation never breaks. But if she is to be trusted (And why wouldn't we trust her), it took a while for her to get the code. So, wouldn't it really be John Conversation #3 and John Conversation #3.5 - PCHOOOOO?

[LegoTechnic]

GallowsCallibrator is linear by her own admission. And we can trust her, right? >_>
It's amusing how she's the origin of John's EctoBiologist screen name.

gC -> John conversation #1 (the best one!)
gC -> Rose conversation #1
gC -> John conversation #2
gC -> John conversation #3
Davesprite -> gC conversation #1

There is a big gap in John conversation #3 for her though as she goes off to get the code. For John, the conversation never breaks. But if she is to be trusted (And why wouldn't we trust her), it took a while for her to get the code. So, wouldn't it really be John Conversation #3 and John Conversation #3.5 - PCHOOOOO?

Whoops, didn't link that one. My bad, it didn't have a "xx began trolling" tag for the search! Gonna ninja-insert it with zee editz.

Actually I'll just list all the parts, since it seems to be one long and continuous chat session.

Also, I like the troll bios posted. Where's that fan-art of them standing in the line-up for mugshots? I liked that pic...

[Texy]

LegoTechnic, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD please update your origional post in the future conversations. I was having so much trouble following the story until I read that.

[joecool280]

Bookmarking this thread for easy reference!

[Kai_Svenson]

You know, I don't think Jade's package alone is what craysks everything up. I was thinking about this in the bath just now.

Let's assume the trolls stopped talking immediately after John dies and by extension Jade is not that the trolls stopped trolling. They no longer had to troll. Time paradox, GC's killing of John prevented the snafu catalyst from occurring.

This is a giant game of mousetrap. Jade's package was an early instigator.

[I-gor]

Well, the way I look at it is that the trolls can only troll along one timeline, one where gC fails to convince John to go up to the Denizen's palace.

[Derrome]

Well, the way I look at it is that the trolls can only troll along one timeline, one where gC fails to convince John to go up to the Denizen's palace.

Yeah, I think that's right.

GC: W3LL OBV1OUSLY 1 KN3W 1T W4SNT GO1NG TO WORK
GC: MY FR13NDS H4V3 B33N T4LK1NG TO JOHN FROM TH3 FUTUR3
GC: YOUR FUTUR3
GC: WH3R3 H3S NOT D34D
GC: SO TH3R3 W4S NO W4Y WH4T 1 D1D W4S GO1NG TO K1LL H1M
GC: 1 JUST W4NT3D TO M3SS W1TH H1M 4ND STUFF
TG: i dont think youre following
TG: you DID kill him sort of
TG: then i went back in time to stop him
GC: Y34H 1 G3USS3D TH3R3 W4S 4 CH4NC3 SOM3TH1NG L1K3 TH4T M1GHT H4PP3N
TG: alright but
TG: did you guess that by trolling john to his grave
TG: and making me splinter us off into an alt timeline
TG: that you were basically complicit in making our timeline go the way it was supposed to go all along
TG: where future me is now helping dave and we just keep playing
TG: and our actions ultimately lead to the trouble youre all in now
TG: thus leading you all to troll us incompetently
GC: OH
GC: NO >:[
GC: 1 D1DNT TH1NK OF TH4T