IDE/Theory Thread 18: John's fraymotif is a pie banjo. Pass it on.

[Flint Youngblood]

Appologies if this has been put out there but... I believe we have a main timeline paradox if Kanaya is not revived in some fashion in order to have the conversation Jade (after Rose disappears in the timeline) refers to. Kanaya was given a password to continue that conversation, if she is not alive to have it (the original conversation not the continuation) everyone in this current timeline is officially a paradox clone.

[Adague]

Appologies if this has been put out there but... I believe we have a main timeline paradox if Kanaya is not revived in some fashion in order to have the conversation Jade (after Rose disappears in the timeline) refers to. Kanaya was given a password to continue that conversation, if she is not alive to have it (the original conversation not the continuation) everyone in this current timeline is officially a paradox clone.

For all we know, the password for that conversation could have been "croooooooooooak"

[Flint Youngblood]

A valid point, and one I considered, but that conversation happens and ends with a Jade who has no knowledge of Rose dying/blacking out/whatever happened as of yet. We don't know how far in the future the Jade who demands the password is, but we do know it takes place after the events of the conversation ending with the Croooooooooooak password. I believe in order to maintain the stable timeloops the password system creates we need at least one more conversation between Kanaya and Jade. If that doesn't happen the whole comic could get swallowed up in a plothole.

[NeoPhantom]

IDE: Karkat will tell Jade about Kanaya for lack of a better auspice.
Jade merely acted funny while she was actually in tears because she couldn't handle telling her that she was going to die... Also because Karkat made her promise not to...

IDE: WV will drive the car down a clift
WV will realize it's out of gas and ask John for a push

IDE: Dave will soon meet with John in the battle field and have his first conversation with Gamzee

[myu2k2]

I just realized... What's going to happen once Homestuck ends? Their session won't produce a universe, so they'll just be stuck in the medium forever. Even if they kill Jack, figure out the ultimate mystery behind guardians and horrorterrors and L.E. and everything, and it all gets resolved, then what? How could there possibly be a satisfying conclusion to a bunch of kids trapped in an alternate universe with nothing to do?

This is something from gen chat. I would think that a good conclusion might be the ending of the Sburb cycle, basically neutering universes so that civilizations can continue living without being meteor'd. Maybe they'll inhabit one last universe, and that universe is free of Sburb...and it will be our universe.

Just pointing out that that's assuming that the kids' session is the only session. It's also assuming that the human race is the only civilization in that universe that's playing the game. We have seen nothing having to do with anyone besides the kids' and, in their universe, the trolls' sessions, besides a couple of presumable failed before entry sessions from the FAQ writers.

Just to note, that when the Green Sun gets destroyed, every first guardians will no longer have their powers. This would effectivly neuter every other game being ran. They help the universe get ready to play the game, take them out and most games would fail like the Earth Games... nobody was ready for it.

Bec could do next to nothing to help a whole population of humans ready for the game. Doc Scratch was able to talk to the trolls, even (as suspected) put an importance of "construction" in their sociaty (also FLARP helped in getting players ready for the game, he may or may not have made it, but he did keep an eye on Vriska, who was one of the best players of the game).

[Alfador]

IDE/Theory:
We've all been assuming that Jade can't ascend to God Tier because of her dead dream self. Her dream self is now a sprite, albeit an incredibly emo one. If sprites are considered to be alive, as evidenced by the fact that Davesprite was not considered to have already fulfilled his alternate timeline dooming and thus was killed by Bec Noir...


Becquerel + Kernelsprite = Becsprite
Dream Jade + Becsprite = Jadesprite

(Jade + Quest Bed) + (Jadesprite + Battlefield Quest Bed + green nuke suicide) =
Dream Guardian Witch of Space Jade... woof.


Until then... it's going to get WEIRD the next time Jade falls asleep. A slumbering Jade may be faced with a similar choice to Dave's...

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[Sgt. Lulz]

Appologies if this has been put out there but... I believe we have a main timeline paradox if Kanaya is not revived in some fashion in order to have the conversation Jade (after Rose disappears in the timeline) refers to. Kanaya was given a password to continue that conversation, if she is not alive to have it (the original conversation not the continuation) everyone in this current timeline is officially a paradox clone.

They're all paradox clones already.

[Kiwise]

IDE/Theory: When DreamRose (or Jadesprite, or whoever) goes out to the Furthest Ring to destroy the Green Sun, she will meet all the dead trolls. And leave them a computer or two or six. It'll be like they weren't even murdered.

Related IDE/Theory: One of the computers given to the dead trolls will be the Crosbytop. They will promptly lose it, and it will eventually find itself on Alternia.

[egregiousBass]

Vriska also mentioned that she was the only one who got to the god-tiers too, right?

That Terezi implied that, actually, and she has less reason to lie.

[arcaneMendicant]

IDE/Theory: The car will be prototyped with some of Dave's time traveling gear and become the DeLorean. Additionally, John is really Marty McFly.

[Masterly]

Dave will alchemize the car with a Back to the Future poster and get a DeLorean.

[High in Fiber]

IDE/Theory: After vaulting an impressive ramp, time shenanigans will cause the car to get stuck in mid-air. It won't touch down again until after the commercial break.

[Kadaashi]

Oh hell yes.

oh hey i see gamzee too

[BL1ND PR0PH3T]

he sees us all man

HE SEES US ALL MAN

Hey doesn't Gamzee's eye in the cloud remind you of the all-seeing eye of Providence?

That eye you see on the back of the dollar bill.

I wonder if based on this alone we could suppose that...

IDE/Theory: Gamzee is God. AKA Lord English.

Doubt it, but let's put it out there.

[Aerozone]

@ Adague GET TOLD SON

[LegoTechnic]

Appologies if this has been put out there but... I believe we have a main timeline paradox if Kanaya is not revived in some fashion in order to have the conversation Jade (after Rose disappears in the timeline) refers to. Kanaya was given a password to continue that conversation, if she is not alive to have it (the original conversation not the continuation) everyone in this current timeline is officially a paradox clone.

A valid point, and one I considered, but that conversation happens and ends with a Jade who has no knowledge of Rose dying/blacking out/whatever happened as of yet. We don't know how far in the future the Jade who demands the password is, but we do know it takes place after the events of the conversation ending with the Croooooooooooak password. I believe in order to maintain the stable timeloops the password system creates we need at least one more conversation between Kanaya and Jade. If that doesn't happen the whole comic could get swallowed up in a plothole.

Your flaw is that you're assuming Jade is running her response based off the topic and not running a script of complete linearity. It doesn't matter to her what subject Kanaya is bringing up, but whether or not Kanaya is in temporal order with her, and she isn't.

If Andrew's intention was for the CROOOOOOOOOOOAK conversation to be their last, that fills a very stable loop on its own, and they just never get into the subject of Rose going dark due to Jade's password system. c'est la vie.

[supersandvich]

nic cage is lord english hurrr

did gamzee get into the kids session :O?

[Shrugstah]

Because people keep bringing this up: Skaia could view Andrew Hussie who is definitely in a different universe (probably plane of existence too), and Skaia is a mystical thing that has something to do with creating universes. If the Trollian viewport can see into different universes, so can Skaian clouds.

[Sporkaganza]

nic cage is lord english hurrr

...The scary part is that I can actually imagine Hussie doing this.

[BobisOnlyBob]

IDE/Theory: SB&HJ is drawn in much the same way that Rose said Dave would draw the map of the furthest ring. SB&HJ predicts events (like the LIFDOFF and the CLOWN/CLOUN/CLOUD) because the Horrorterrors whisper prophecies to Dream Dave. This is why he draws SB&HJ on the walls of his Dream Bedroom. I have evidence.

IDE/Theory 2: The map of the furthest ring will feature Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff.

[ragmaan]

I wholy support that second theory bob.

IDE/Theory: Just as Gamzee is the scion (in a manner, I suppose) of his clown cult, Dave is the scion of SB and HJ. Ergo, CRAZY SHENNAIGANS when they finally meet (and they probably have to, I mean, Dave insulted his group with ICP)

[Flint Youngblood]

Appologies if this has been put out there but... I believe we have a main timeline paradox if Kanaya is not revived in some fashion in order to have the conversation Jade (after Rose disappears in the timeline) refers to. Kanaya was given a password to continue that conversation, if she is not alive to have it (the original conversation not the continuation) everyone in this current timeline is officially a paradox clone.

A valid point, and one I considered, but that conversation happens and ends with a Jade who has no knowledge of Rose dying/blacking out/whatever happened as of yet. We don't know how far in the future the Jade who demands the password is, but we do know it takes place after the events of the conversation ending with the Croooooooooooak password. I believe in order to maintain the stable timeloops the password system creates we need at least one more conversation between Kanaya and Jade. If that doesn't happen the whole comic could get swallowed up in a plothole.

Your flaw is that you're assuming Jade is running her response based off the topic and not running a script of complete linearity. It doesn't matter to her what subject Kanaya is bringing up, but whether or not Kanaya is in temporal order with her, and she isn't.

If Andrew's intention was for the CROOOOOOOOOOOAK conversation to be their last, that fills a very stable loop on its own, and they just never get into the subject of Rose going dark due to Jade's password system. c'est la vie.

Hmmm... interesting, as such in order for the normal conversation timeloops to occur all that would have be to have sseveral arguments with Karkat in which she argues with him over a password... this is valid, she never actually says they spoke post Rose blanking just that she had been waiting for a long time for the next linear conversation, and that she'd had other linear conversations with Karkat... yes I think that fills the plothole nicely, if not terribly satisfactorily from a "happy ending" stance. I retract the theory, but I do wonder why Karkat never tells Jade what happened to Kanaya... or if she was told why her reaction to talking to a dead woman wasn't a bit different.

[Flint Youngblood]

Appologies if this has been put out there but... I believe we have a main timeline paradox if Kanaya is not revived in some fashion in order to have the conversation Jade (after Rose disappears in the timeline) refers to. Kanaya was given a password to continue that conversation, if she is not alive to have it (the original conversation not the continuation) everyone in this current timeline is officially a paradox clone.

They're all paradox clones already.

lol yes good catch, I should have said Doomed time clones.

[Ablaze]

IDE/Theory: In order to create a map to the green sun, Dave will end up creating infinite doomed time clones, trying all paths at once. The map is a breadcrumb trail of dead Daves... or at least the paths not to take are marked with bodies.

[Karmic]

IDE/Theory: John's dad is an AU!Spades Slick. http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005303 They have the same laptop and WV is seen jostling a deck of cards with the ace of spades in the front.