Trolls don't actually have breasts. The Marquise just had odd taste in where she kept grenades.
IDE/theory: The troll reproductive system was specifically engineered to speed up evolution. First, the complexity of troll romance is such that they have no end of things to kill each other over. This is compounded by the large number of things punishable by death, including failure to fill both filial pails when the imperial drone comes knocking. Second, incestual genetics tend to lead to mutations, right? The "incestual slurry" vital to troll breeding is likely the cause for the large number of mutations, such as the wide range of pigments, various psychic abilities, abnormal eyes, etc. And according to troll Charles Darwin, what do you get when you combine a high mortality rate with a high mutation rate? Evolution.
Not at all. Incest does not change the rate of mutation, it makes easier for the same otherwise rare gene combination to appear in both parents, so offspring only has it and not the alternatives. If there is something bad and recessive, it will show up often even if it is very disadvantageous, and combination of such things leads to large number of freak-like individuals. Mutations may be rare but the results will stay present in population even if they cause nothing but disadvantage. High rate of mutation may look superficially the same, but fundamentally this is the opposite -- mutations increase diversity by producing new traits not present before (that may be selected for or against), incest decreases it by making the same traits show up again and again (and due to lack of alternatives it happens regardless of their effect on survival, attractiveness or fertility, except for the extremes).Second, incestual genetics tend to lead to mutations, right?
"Incestuous slurry" seems to be less about incest and more about trying all combinations of "parents" as long as parents happened to be in a relationship (what means, they were able to survive to adult age, inspire love in some and hatred in someone else -- does not matter in whom), so natural selection still works. Since Mother Grub physiology is unknown, it's even possible that some mechanism prevents obviously wrong combinations -- such as too similar parents like in regular incest, or repeating known-bad combinations.The "incestual slurry" vital to troll breeding is likely the cause for the large number of mutations, such as the wide range of pigments, various psychic abilities, abnormal eyes, etc. And according to troll Charles Darwin, what do you get when you combine a high mortality rate with a high mutation rate? Evolution.
Very likely so. However it's also possible that trolls' inclination toward violence, architecture and games influenced design of Sgrub.Additional points:
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For a while I have known about Aradia being analogous to Little Red Riding-hood, and BN analogous to the Big Bad Wolf. I only just realised that Araida has just gone "into" BN, so if following the story she will meet her Ancestor, and both will be freed by Kanaya (a topiarist with a chainsaw is the closest we can get to a woodcutter with an axe in this story). The analogy doesn't hold very well though, as they aren't "trapped" as such.
[U4G] OREG (A space adventure)
Starring Opabiniataurs, because humanoids are boring.
okay so taking the corrections on the meaning of "incestual slurry" and mutations vs repressed genes into account, I still maintain that the breeding system is set up to maximize genetic variety of each individual generation and then thin the herd through constant competition. This is technically more adaptation than evolution, but I think the point still stands that the whole system looks like it was engineered deliberately.
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But really, am I really the first person to have noticed a similarity between those two?
OH ANOTHER THING
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And death weeds out all trolls unfit to be galactic warriors. If Gamzee can't survive alternia, how would he survive galactic warfare that most trolls grow into? Survival of the fittest.
And the incestuos slurry comment was a followup to the other incest point, so I've already addressed that.
Basically, nuna's facts are right.
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In Kanayas intro it said she was a lumberjack.
It just happens that most mutations are disadvantageous, and most results of inbreeding are disadvantageous, but those are not the same. For example, European royalty was not constantly producing mutations that resulted in hemophilia -- they just had the same recessive gene showing up again and again in both parents of male children, thus causing the disease. The same gene is likely still in the population now, but combination with everything else prevents it from manifesting itself often. However it's there and it may even happen to be advantageous down the line -- imagine another mutation that provides effective but fundamentally different mechanism of healing wounds that does not involve blood clotting and is inhibited by it. It would be useless otherwise and may remain present silently over generations, but once combined with hemophilia, you have real-life Wolverine[*].
Modern war, especially on the scale of a galaxy, is very unlikely to select for anything, as survival is low not because of high discrimination for any kinds of traits but because of high probability of random death. Having a missile hit your or neighbor's spaceship is mostly random, and at best marginally affected by the intelligence of the pilot/crew/captain, but if modern science fiction is to be believed, one such event affects hundreds or thousands of people regardless of their individual variations. If anything, war selects against advantageous traits because more capable people before the breeding age end up more often sent on individual missions with high mortality rates.And death weeds out all trolls unfit to be galactic warriors. If Gamzee can't survive alternia, how would he survive galactic warfare that most trolls grow into? Survival of the fittest.
Please note that a large part of selection in real world is usually not just "not dying before you can breed" (that only weeds out extremely bad traits) but by being selected by a partner, staying long enough with partner or having multiple partners, and finally supporting the children so they won't die young. This varies from species to species, black widow spiders seem to have evolved just fine despite their peculiarities. Troll society seems to be adapted to continuous war by placing mating before going to war, and having a selection process early in life.
For all we know, Gamzee could be not intended to be useful in war, his role may be nothing but a living obstacle that weeds out overzealous racists and backstabbing assholes such as Equius and Dualscar. Once such function is performed, he can inspire much love and hatred, fill the buckets, then it won't matter if he ever gets involved in a war or for how long he survives in it.
[*] Not to say that such extremes are likely or even possible, but it's more likely than one random mutation producing fully-functional, extremely effective self-healing mechanism in otherwise ordinary human. It may be that before Wolverine could be born, his ancestors will have to be a relatively unattractive kind of mutants -- I would like to see comics dealing with this.
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Karkat's red blood ad nubby horns actualy make him the closest thing to one of the "original" trolls. he may or amy not be the troll messaiah.
IDE/Theory That stunt sword John had? It's totally gonna be used by dave at some point.
Seriously though, what I think will happen is that the group of people currently in the bubble will at one point observe jack trying to and failing to kill her. At some point before they stop watching, he sits on the bed due to emotional exhaustion or lays near her legs like bec might've. Then they see him leave before moving on to the next thing to do on their tour of memories.
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Okay, here's a long one.
Lil Cal remains underground in Alternia for millenia, surviving the Vast Glub (because he's a puppet) and the destruction of Alternia. (because he's a puppet)
He is later discovered and excavated by a future civilization, restored, and put in a museum. Filled with rage and misery from his long time alone, he has gone insane. He manipulates events from the sidelines to end up in a S***b session, and then takes advantage of the Time player to transport himself through paradox space to a new session.
There, he continues his sneakery, culminating in combining his DNA with the MEOW code, creating himself, which he sends through paradox space to the Kid's Derse. However, Lil Cal is a puppet, and therefore cannot use First Guardian powers! He tricks the session into banishing him to empty paradox space- all part of the plan.
Meanwhile, a bitter, grown up, and completely deranged Gamzee is floating around. Too powerful to destroy, the remaining trolls sealed him away in paradox space. Cal needs a body to activate his potential, and Gamzee needs power to free himself. They merge together, creating....
OK, so we all know that Homestuck is kind of a creation myth, right?
Well, in Christian beliefs, there is a being called "The Antichrist," also referred to as "The Beast (666 is its mark)."
IDE/Theory: Lord English is the Homestuck creation myth's version of the Antichrist. Let's look at the comparisons.
1. First off, no one knows who either of them are. Many fans of this webcomic have speculated various characters who could be LE. Likewise, many Christians have speculated people who could be canidate for AC, but no one has guessed correctly... yet.
2. It is implied that LE's goal is to tear apart the universe, from its beginning to its end. This is just a larger scale of AC's plans, which is to cause the destruction of the world.
3. 1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
The "many antichrists" that have come are followers of the main Antichrist. Just like the followers of LE...?
4. The kicker:
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
ALREADY IN THE WORLD.
HE IS ALREADY HERE.
i dunno, i was thinking randomly and the comparison between LE and AC hit me like a load of bricks.
you had me at "1 John 4:3."