What Did we Learn Today?

[CranialHeartache]

Hey gaiz, I was doin' some thinkin' and decided I'd make a thread about what each character was supposed to learn from their respective lands. Pitch in if you think of anything more.

John: Land of Wind and Shade: Not really sure. Probably how to be cool and collected and breeze forward when needed. Courtesy of cautiousCapricorn he may need to learn to deal with the shade of uncertainty, sort of like he had to deal with his father's room. Courtesy of Quirk, John would probably learn maturity from his consorts.

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About John's land: Wind and Shade.

Maybe, the shade part is teaching him not to be afraid of the dark. Think back to after he defeated the Crude Orges, John was afraid to enter his father's room because he didn't know what to expect; but he still did it despite the darkness and uncertainty he faced.

LOWAS is teaching John not to be afraid of the darkness of things and that there is light (the fireflies) within the darkness.

Dave: Land of Heat and Clockwork: Knight of Time: How to stop hiding behind coolness and to start taking action. To lose his cool to the heat and to stop hiding from the light the heat gives off. Courtesy of Avi - supposed to learn patience as well and to work within the rules. Courtesy of Masterweaver: Dave may also learn patience from his consorts.

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Well the titles are part of it as well. The Knight of Time has to learn patience, and that he has to work within the rules of the system, or there will be violent consequences.

Rose: Land of Light and Rain: Seer of Light: That not everything is fouled up with darkness, and to learn how to appreciate things at face value for what they are, and not what they might be. Courtesy of The_Codfish: Rose may learn caution from her consorts, due to them being smart yet cowardly. Courtesy of PandaK: her consorts were also there to teach her to go slow and steady, which isn't what she's doing.

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The turtles are there to teach her that taking things slow and steady brings a better understanding of how to accomplish etc


which is the complete opposite of what she is doing

Jade: Land of Frost and Frogs: Witch of Space: Not really sure. Maybe she was supposed to learn how to chill out and not be so silly all the time, or rather to learn that there's a time and a place for it, hence how sooner or later she'll need to use the forge. Courtesy of calibratedTempest, she may have needed to learn to become motherly in order for the repopulation effort to work.

Aradia: Land of Quartz and Melody: Maid of Time: If I remember correctly, there are people who think quartz can house essence or spirit within it. Either way, I think Aradia was supposed to learn how to feel again. She may've had to learn how to take care of things like a mother would.

Tavros: Land of Sand and Zephyr: Page of Breath: Perhaps he was supposed to learn how to depend on himself rather than depending on the monsters all the time while going in his own direction. Courtesy of FFWF, he may've also had to learn how to support others.

Sollux: Land of Brains and Fire: Mage of Doom: Maybe he was supposed to learn not to envy other brains and to take solace in his own. Courtesy of Bobikus, he needed to learn how not to let his visions affect him as much.

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Sollux is the Mage of Doom - He had to stop letting himself be bound by his visions of the future and realized that just because he'd eventually die that it shouldn't affect how he lived.

Karkat: Land of Pulse and Haze: Knight of Blood: Obvious. Supposed to learn to accept his blood, and possibly supposed to learn how he can't control everything.

Nepeta: Land of Little Cubes and Tea: Rouge of Heart: Perhaps she was supposed to learn how to calm down and be more sophisticated (as evidenced by her apparel,) or maybe it's the opposite and she needs to learn how to stop roleplaying.

Kanaya: Land of Rays and Frogs: Sylph of Space: Courtesy of Bobikus, she may have needed to learn how to give people space, and not to be obsessed with fashion. Courtesy of calibratedTempest, she may have needed to learn to become motherly in order for the repopulation effort to work.

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Kanaya is the Witch of Space - She had to learn to respect people's 'personal space' in regards to their problems and emotions, and not meddle with everyone.

Yeah I meant Sylph but wrote Jade's title instead by mistake.

Sylph is pretty fitting anyway since the first story involving Sylphs was Rape of the Lock, where they were associated with Vanity, and Kanaya is the troll most concerned with fashion.

Terezi: Land of Thought and Flow: Seer of Mind: Might be the only one who actually grew up, she was supposed to learn how to take a step back and figure people out, or perhaps she was supposed to learn to accept things as they were, as evidenced by the flow, instead of always relying on justice.

Vriska: Land of Maps and Treasure: Thief of Light: Supposed to learn how to take a step back and think things through rather than always being off and chasing adventure. Supposed to learn when enough's enough that way she can savor the good times.

Equius: Land of Caves and Silence: Heir of Void: Probably supposed to learn not to feel uncomfortable with being alone and how to meditate. Perhaps he's supposed to learn how to explore and be content with himself, and through all that he could release himself from the shackles of the hemospectrum.

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I think a lot of has as much to do with the title as the land.

Equius was the Heir of Void - Heir of Nothingness. His birthright meant nothing, the blood one was born with doesn't determine who they should be..

Gamzee: Land of Tents and Mirth: Bard of Rage: Likely supposed to learn how to enjoy himself more.

Eridan: Land of Wrath and Angels: Prince of Hope: Maybe supposed to learn how to relax? Or perhaps he was supposed to learn there's a time and a place to give in, but giving into Bec Noir wasn't a good idea? Courtesy of Plummet: a righteous way of getting what he desires.

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I think that the Land of Wrath And Angels is supposed to teach Eridan how to righteously use his anger to get what he desires, instead of letting it run rampant. I also think that the Angels are supposed to teach him how to be serene instead of sexually excited all the time.

Not that she'll learn much now, being a murderer. -sniffle-

also inb4 avi bans us all for posting IDEs outside of the IDE/theory thread

Feferi: Land of Dew and Glass: Witch of Life: She may have to learn how it feels to be put in a controlled space and taken care of that way she knows not to control every little thing. Courtesy of Wheeeeeeatthins, she's supposed to learn not to be so excited and to have some foresight into her actions.

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Dew and Glass:

What's made of glass and filled with water? A crystal ball. She's supposed to learn to have foresight into her actions, and learn that sometimes chasing every flippant desire excit------edly may have undesirable consequences (visiting jade shook her up; her going after Sollux right after breaking up with Eridian scrambled Eridian up pretty badly)
Instead, she just shot straight out of her land and into the gate of the next land.

[Avi]

It seems to me like the their title is the role which challenges them, and the Land gives opportunities and scenarios where this happens. The Knight of Time has to learn patience, and that he has to work within the rules of the system, or there will be violent consequences.

[Plummet]

I think that the Land of Wrath And Angels is supposed to teach Feferi how to righteously use her anger to get what she desires, instead of letting it run rampant. I also think that the Angels are supposed to teach her how to be serene instead of EXCI-----------TED all the time.

Not that she'll learn much now, being dead. -sniffle-

also inb4 avi bans us all for posting IDEs outside of the IDE/theory thread

[CranialHeartache]

It seems to me like the their title is the role which challenges them, and the Land gives opportunities and scenarios where this happens. The Knight of Time has to learn patience, and that he has to work within the rules of the system, or there will be violent consequences.

Added. If people bring up other characters' titles then I'll add those in, but I can't think of things for, like, the Sylph of Space.

I think that the Land of Wrath And Angels is supposed to teach Feferi how to righteously use her anger to get what she desires, instead of letting it run rampant. I also think that the Angels are supposed to teach her how to be serene instead of EXCI-----------TED all the time.

Not that she'll learn much now, being dead. -sniffle-

also inb4 avi bans us all for posting IDEs outside of the IDE/theory thread

Eridan is the Land of Wrath and Angels, not Feferi.

[Bellstrom]

I think that the Land of Wrath And Angels is supposed to teach Feferi how to righteously use her anger to get what she desires, instead of letting it run rampant. I also think that the Angels are supposed to teach her how to be serene instead of EXCI-----------TED all the time.

Not that she'll learn much now, being dead. -sniffle-

also inb4 avi bans us all for posting IDEs outside of the IDE/theory thread

uh

isn't

isn't lowaa eridan's planet

[Plummet]

It seems to me like the their title is the role which challenges them, and the Land gives opportunities and scenarios where this happens. The Knight of Time has to learn patience, and that he has to work within the rules of the system, or there will be violent consequences.

Added. If people bring up other characters' titles then I'll add those in, but I can't think of things for, like, the Sylph of Space.

I think that the Land of Wrath And Angels is supposed to teach Feferi how to righteously use her anger to get what she desires, instead of letting it run rampant. I also think that the Angels are supposed to teach her how to be serene instead of EXCI-----------TED all the time.

Not that she'll learn much now, being dead. -sniffle-

also inb4 avi bans us all for posting IDEs outside of the IDE/theory thread

Eridan is the Land of Wrath and Angels, not Feferi.

Let us play a game of pretend in which I was addressing his case.

[legacySystems]

I think that the Land of Wrath And Angels is supposed to teach Feferi how to righteously use her anger to get what she desires, instead of letting it run rampant. I also think that the Angels are supposed to teach her how to be serene instead of EXCI-----------TED all the time.

Not that she'll learn much now, being dead. -sniffle-

also inb4 avi bans us all for posting IDEs outside of the IDE/theory thread

Thats Eridan's world.



Ninjaaaaaad

[Darkomega99]

I think that the Land of Wrath And Angels is supposed to teach Feferi how to righteously use her anger to get what she desires, instead of letting it run rampant. I also think that the Angels are supposed to teach her how to be serene instead of EXCI-----------TED all the time.

Not that she'll learn much now, being dead. -sniffle-

also inb4 avi bans us all for posting IDEs outside of the IDE/theory thread

wrath and angels was eridan
Ninja'd like mad

[CranialHeartache]

It seems to me like the their title is the role which challenges them, and the Land gives opportunities and scenarios where this happens. The Knight of Time has to learn patience, and that he has to work within the rules of the system, or there will be violent consequences.

Added. If people bring up other characters' titles then I'll add those in, but I can't think of things for, like, the Sylph of Space.

I think that the Land of Wrath And Angels is supposed to teach Feferi how to righteously use her anger to get what she desires, instead of letting it run rampant. I also think that the Angels are supposed to teach her how to be serene instead of EXCI-----------TED all the time.

Not that she'll learn much now, being dead. -sniffle-

also inb4 avi bans us all for posting IDEs outside of the IDE/theory thread

Eridan is the Land of Wrath and Angels, not Feferi.

Let us play a game of pretend in which I was addressing his case.

I'll add the quote and change it to Eridan then.

[AlphaKnight]

feferi wasn't in Tthe land of wrath and angels, that was eridan
I agree with avi, the title is what they need to overcome and the land is the habitat needed for it to occur.
wow, this isnt even ninja'd, I'm just slow.

[Plummet]

It seems to me like the their title is the role which challenges them, and the Land gives opportunities and scenarios where this happens. The Knight of Time has to learn patience, and that he has to work within the rules of the system, or there will be violent consequences.

Added. If people bring up other characters' titles then I'll add those in, but I can't think of things for, like, the Sylph of Space.

I think that the Land of Wrath And Angels is supposed to teach Feferi how to righteously use her anger to get what she desires, instead of letting it run rampant. I also think that the Angels are supposed to teach her how to be serene instead of EXCI-----------TED all the time.

Not that she'll learn much now, being dead. -sniffle-

also inb4 avi bans us all for posting IDEs outside of the IDE/theory thread

Eridan is the Land of Wrath and Angels, not Feferi.

Let us play a game of pretend in which I was addressing his case.

I'll add the quote and change it to Eridan then.

And also, remove the bit about EXCI------TEMENT and change it to sexual excitement to better reflect on his creepy tendencies of hitting on everyone who bothers to give his pathetic self attention

[SenorEverClever]

The title of this thread was just begging for this song.

[Wheeeeeeatthins]

Feferi: Land of Dew and Glass: Maybe she's supposed to learn what it's like to not be in control? Otherwise I have no idea.

Dew and Glass:

What's made of glass and filled with water? A crystal ball. She's supposed to learn to have foresight into her actions, and learn that sometimes chasing every flippant desire excit------edly may have undesirable consequences (visiting jade shook her up; her going after Sollux right after breaking up with Eridian scrambled Eridian up pretty badly)
Instead, she just shot straight out of her land and into the gate of the next land.

[CranialHeartache]

Feferi: Land of Dew and Glass: Maybe she's supposed to learn what it's like to not be in control? Otherwise I have no idea.

Dew and Glass:

What's made of glass and filled with water? A crystal ball. She's supposed to learn to have foresight into her actions, and learn that sometimes chasing every flippant desire excit------edly may have undesirable consequences (visiting jade shook her up; her going after Sollux right after breaking up with Eridian scrambled Eridian up pretty badly)
Instead, she just shot straight out of her land and into the gate of the next land.

Great idea!

[Avi]

This thread is for discussion, you don't have to add every post to the OP :P

[CranialHeartache]

This thread is for discussion, you don't have to add every post to the OP :P

Thanks, but I'm only adding the ones that make sense, especially since people aren't really debating them and I can't really think of a reason it wouldn't makes sense.

[calibratedTempest]

It's possible that the player that is the ____ of space and has the land of _____ and frogs (since both space characters we've seen so far have this land) have the most important role of learning mothering and it's through their own growing up that the race either continues or dies out, regardless of end game. This could be evidence by, though the trolls 'won' Kanaya had yet to grow past her jealousy of her past Vriska crush (Alterniabound) and thus, the matriorb was doomed to die, the trolls to not continue. It's also possible that we have proof that Jade has succeeded in her attempts, assuming the penpal is her literal grandson, and not just a figurative one.

[Stormrunner]

I think it also has to be remembered that the frogs are used to make the Genesis Frog, the frog that IS a universe, or part of space. I also sometimes wonder if all the water on their lands is significant as well.

[Sporkaganza]

I think it also has to be remembered that the frogs are used to make the Genesis Frog, the frog that IS a universe, or part of space. I also sometimes wonder if all the water on their lands is significant as well.

If you wish to breed a frog from scratch, you must first invent the universe.

[Bobikus]

I think a lot of has as much to do with the title as the land.

Equius was the Heir of Void - Heir of Nothingness. His birthright meant nothing, the blood one was born with doesn't determine who they should be.

Kanaya is the Witch of Space - She had to learn to respect people's 'personal space' in regards to their problems and emotions, and not meddle with everyone.

Sollux is the Mage of Doom - He had to stop letting himself be bound by his visions of the future and realized that just because he'd eventually die that it shouldn't affect how he lived.

[CranialHeartache]

I think a lot of has as much to do with the title as the land.

Equius was the Heir of Void - Heir of Nothingness. His birthright meant nothing, the blood one was born with doesn't determine who they should be.

Kanaya is the Witch of Space - She had to learn to respect people's 'personal space' in regards to their problems and emotions, and not meddle with everyone.

Sollux is the Mage of Doom - He had to stop letting himself be bound by his visions of the future and realized that just because he'd eventually die that it shouldn't affect how he lived.

Sylph* And there, I added titles to all of them. And also added the motherly part from calibratedTempest.

[Bobikus]

Yeah I meant Sylph but wrote Jade's title instead by mistake.

Sylph is pretty fitting anyway since the first story involving Sylphs was Rape of the Lock, where they were associated with Vanity, and Kanaya is the troll most concerned with fashion.

[catchTwentythree]

I think you guys are forgetting that the game tailors itself to the players. Your assumptions for what they were supposed to learn are about realizing various human values. The Alternian session would be teaching them Alternian values.

[Bobikus]

Maybe the values are more universal than that. Equius' adherence to the Hemospectrum Caste may have been an admirable trait for a blue blood of his race, but his adherence to it was what caused his death.

[CranialHeartache]

I'm voting for universal traits.