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[Inconspicularity]

Funnily enough Steven Moffat made Blink and The Empty Child. Pretty much everything he's written is good but the things he produced are meh.

If you want more of Steven Moffat's "older" style, I highly recommend Sherlock. It's two Sir Arthur Conan Doyle nerds' hobby. Seeing as it's originally their non-serious project, they did everything they wanted to. It's pretty much very good Sir Arthur Conan Doyle fanfiction.

There are two series, 6 episodes, with 9 hours in total. Since each episode is one and a half hours, they're all treated as movies instead of episodes.

And Mark Gatiss is a writer AND an actor. Both of them.

[MIster Scurvy]

Funnily enough Steven Moffat made Blink and The Empty Child. Pretty much everything he's written is good but the things he produced are meh.

If you want more of Steven Moffat's "older" style, I highly recommend Sherlock. It's two Sir Arthur Conan Doyle nerds' hobby. Seeing as it's originally their non-serious project, they did everything they wanted to. It's pretty much very good Sir Arthur Conan Doyle fanfiction.

There are two series, 6 episodes, with 9 hours in total. Since each episode is one and a half hours, they're all treated as movies instead of episodes.

And Mark Gatiss is a writer AND an actor. Both of them.

I already have watched every single sherlock! It is phenomenal.

[AnatidaeCollector]

SHERLOCK APPRECIATION LYFFFFFFFFF.

And I agree that they reuse monsters too often. Using an Ood in The Doctor's Wife was fine because it wasn't really a monster and they only had to go for an Ood because they couldn't afford to create a new monster costume and what have you. But otherwise, originality is good. If anything, bring back the shadows 2 seasons from now or something. And actually make the Doctor deal with them, not just be all like, "I AM THE DOCTOR. FEAR ME BECAUSE I DO STUFF. YEAH." like he did in Silence in the Library.

[MIster Scurvy]

I found that the whole vash blah creature was awesome. Looking past the introduction of river song, the execution was poorly done and the whole "child" thing made me want to bang my head into a glass table.

[AnatidaeCollector]

I found Amy's reaction to having her baby stolen unrealistically underwhelmed. And they could have done so much with the "We must find your baby!" story arc, too. [T]_[T]
Melody Pond wasn't a bad character, but her story could have been handled so much better.

[MIster Scurvy]

What pissed me off the most is the whole "he will fall" arc. I was really disappointed with season 6 as a whole.

[Varkarrus]

What I found funny about the way he survived was that all these powerful and mysterious potentially omniscient entities are all remarking about how the doctor will die, and then he survives in the sillest way and now those PMPOEs are feeling very silly, I bet!

[AnatidaeCollector]

He didn't really fall, now that I think about it...
I was expecting some sort of evil!Doctor or something and was kind of disappointed. I liked the ideas behind it all and the beginning/finale, as well as the standalones, but the in-between episodes (like A Good Man Goes to War and Let's Kill Hitler) kind of were meh to me. I really wanted more DreamLord or some sort of evil manifestation of the Doctor himself. Maybe some sort of Grimdark-esque Doctor who was corrupted subconsciously by The Silence? IDK. I kind of want that. But instead we got more Nazis and an oh-shit-everyone's-a-clone plot line.

[MIster Scurvy]

imo season 1 had the best story episodes. I miss the 9th doctor.

[AnatidaeCollector]

Dalek is one of my favorite episodes that I haven't rewatched in a long time. I love that the Dalek in it was, you know, actually pretty fucking scary.
And of course there was The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, which was hakhgakhas so good.
The whole Satellite 5 episode sets were pretty good. I just liked the setting and the idea and it was carried out pretty well.
The rest, in my opinion, were just average. It didn't have any standout weak episodes (like Love and Monsters or Vampires of Venice). I think the "omg Slitheen in London/Cardiff" plot went on for too many episodes though.

I don't really have a favorite series right now. I did like a lot of the S6 episodes. Night Terrors was absolutely terrifying in all the right ways and The Doctor's Wife is probably my all-time favorite. Aside from that pirate episode and the Let's Kill Hitler/A Good Man Goes to War set, and some aspects of The Wedding of River Song, it was a pretty strong series. It had far fewer weak episodes, in my opinion, than S5.
S2 is definitely my least favorite. The Girl in the Fireplace and the Impossible Planet/Satan Pit set are pretty much the only episodes from there that I actually really liked, and even then, they're not in my top 5 episodes/episode sets.

[Jacquerel]

Doctor Who monsters do tend to suffer from the Conservation of Ninjitsu rules, the fewer of them there are, the cooler they are.

There was one Dalek in Dalek and it is among the best episodes, and definitely the best with Daleks in.
There were like maybe four to six angels in Blink, compared to however many hundred in the following one with angels in and to be honest I didn't like those later ones much at all.

I guess a lone monster doesn't really have anything to lose, and the fact that it can take on a base alone makes it seem more powerful.
When you have multiple monsters, it is harder to ramp up the destruction at the same rate as you ramp up their numbers, so they just seem less impressive (also the sight of them becomes more commonplace and thus less dramatic).

[MIster Scurvy]

I still love the first episode, but by story episodes I did not mean two/three parters but instead the first episode and the finales. Dalek really showed the Doctor's dark side in a more direct manner than the Dream Lord.

[AnatidaeCollector]

@Jac: I totally agree. And, the Dalek in Dalek just seemed scarier and more bloodthirsty. And the ending was actually pretty sweet.
And monsters just making cameos for the hell of it? Nothx. The Angels in the whole God Complex episode were just annoying. Those puppets on the other hand? Terrifying. And they actually served a purpose.

I love the Dream Lord (you know how I feel about Amy's Choice), but yeah, you really got to directly see the result of the Time War on Nine.

[gingerale]

I love the Dream Lord (you know how I feel about Amy's Choice), but yeah, you really got to directly see the result of the Time War on Nine.

I just wish there was a way to find out how the 8th died. He was my first Doctor and I liked him.

[MIster Scurvy]

About death of 8, I think something similar happened to what occured to the 9th doctor. Maybe he used up a lot of his power to close out the Daleks and Time Lords.

[AnatidaeCollector]

I just kinda assumed that he died in battle.

[MIster Scurvy]

I just kinda assumed that he died in battle.

That's highly probable too. But again, it could be something extremely different.

Was anyone else slightly disappointed with Torchwood: Miracle Day?

[godFish]

So the first episode of the new season came out!

I thought it was pretty good but the episode probably would have been stronger without Amy and Rory there to do nothing the entire time, and their subplot didn't add anything to the stroy. Maybe have Oswin chatting to the Doctor whenever he needs to go on about something to the audience.

It was a fun episode either way though! And the next episode apparently features Balon Greyjoy in SPACE! (or their actors just look the same in my head)

[Sporkaganza]

It was an okay episode. There were a couple brilliant moments, but most of it was just kinda... okay. And there was some absolute rubbish - why introduce the idea of Rory and Amy having relationship trouble if you're just going to magically fix it at the end of the episode? That's not how relationships work.

The twist at the end (the twist at the VERY end, not the one before that) was pretty good though and I'm interested to see what kind of season-long implications it'll have. (The twist at the end before the very end was good too.)

[-Benedict]

I didn't really have a problem with the Amy/Rory stuff (besides why did we fucking need more amy/rory stuff you already had two seasons for your petty relationship drama you utter goons), but.

Eggs.
Eggs.
EGGS.
EEEEEGGS.
EEEEGGSTERRRRR.

i have never been so terrified while laughing so hard in my entire life
'cept for gamzee's murder mode maybe but
EGGS

also yeah oswin holy shit oswin that twist hit like a runaway truck right in the feels

[Jacquerel]

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I can't decide if it would be more or less sad if she'd just been a Dalek the whole time and never a person.
It was meant to be an asylum after all.

[gingerale]

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I can't decide if it would be more or less sad if she'd just been a Dalek the whole time and never a person.
It was meant to be an asylum after all.

Agreed.

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But they are trying to make Daleks scary again

[Jacquerel]

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Well in that case making them all chant "Doctor Who" was a bit of a bad plan
I also don't really think that cyber slaves fit their MO at all even if they did have them in the old series, what part of "racial purity" involves sticking dalek technology into any old corpse? Zombies are a cheap and really ineffective way of scarifying something.

You make Daleks scary by not insisting on having 12,000,000 of them.

When there are thousands of Daleks it is impossible for them to be scary because their ridiculous weaknesses are easily apparent and they have to be made incompetent so that the Doctor can win, when there's just one or two Daleks (and there could always have been, if every single Dalek episode wasn't based around bringing another million back to life, they are meant to be a dead race!) then they can be scary.
A million Daleks occupying London isn't impressive, one Dalek taking on a military base solo is.
If you have an enemy that is meant to seem invincible then the only adequate way to demonstrate this is for it to be outnumbered.

The only new series Dalek that ever really seemed like any kind of credible and intimidating threat was the one we sympathised with and eventually killed itself.
The Doctor didn't even defeat that one! For all extents and purposes, The Dalek won!

This episode was better than I expected it to be considering it was about Daleks but it baffles me how that first one about Daleks could have been one of the best episodes they have produced while the rest of them are all easily forgettable.
It's like they didn't learn anything from making it

[Portalboat]

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I think the reason that they removed the Daleks from the equation because there's a greater threat on the horizon: the first question.

[kaoticAntagonist]

I want a future doctor to go to the future and meet Stormageddon.