Image Manip Arguments: The Argument Section

[DJ-P0N3]

Sorry, but I agree.
Coasterman you are not prepped in any way, shape, or form to be the OP for the Image Manip thread.
I am pretty much okay with anyone being OP for the most part so long as they aren't imbeciles.

Still though
I said Bfahome could do the next one, so why not him?

[The Almighty 404]

Because YOU said so ? As in, we (all together) should decide not you (alone I mean) ? I'm all for Bfahome to be the next OP, but Coasterman also seems a good choice. It was more of a reaction to that than actually saying HE and only HE should be the next OP. Really, we should agree together on who will be the next OP.

[Mubbles]

I don't know about letting coasterman have free reign over the next thread.
I mean, he says he has a leadership side, but so far the only leadership I've seen from him is getting a bunch of people to post annoying memes, and I'm not sure if that's what I want in a host.
Also, he has a tendency of derailing threads with angst.
I say that we should wait for another thread or so before putting him in the spot. He hasn't convinced me that has the potential yet.
Also, where did bfahome go anyways? He hasn't posted in ages.

[DJ-P0N3]

Your hostility really hurts 404.
What did I ever do to you?

[The Almighty 404]

Well, at least if he derails his thread with angst he won't be derailing the thread with his own enormous ego like some (hint, hint).

[myu2k2]

ok, but NO, to Coasterman.

anybody but him.

hell, i'll do it before him.

Coasterman's been trolling the thread, starting fights about Bronies, changes the subject to himself, and have contributed nothing but one manip sence he's been here (and that was only because we told him to do something). He goes into other threads and does basically the same thing.

[DJ-P0N3]

That was so subtle it was obvious.


e: thank you myu2k2.

I am fine with not being OP, but the hostility towards me really needs to stop.
I have hardly done anything to cause trouble in the thread, its my reputation that tends to get the thread de-railed.
The only time I can rightly recall my ego derailing it is when I introduced myself as a manippable pic on two occasions in a past thread that was 9.
Other than that, I don't think I have.

[Coasterman29]

Wow, I really have a lot of free time on my hands.

[frostedWarlock]

There's no reason to get rid of the BoT or heavily modify the rules if most of the problems just stem from Mayor's reputation. Maybe just try another thread led by someone else for a while and see if the problems are still there. There's no reason to assume that the BoT is to blame at all. I've talked to Mayor about it a lot, and his actions mainly seemed to stem from just making things easier for himself, so maybe if we just got a thread leader with a lot more free time (or better management) then all should be well.

*lurks in the manip thread for the most part but still thinks his point has a little merit*

[The One Guy]

COUNTERMANDED!

I vote for That One Guy.

Actually I wouldn't mind running the next thread; I certainly have enough free time. I've thought about offering to do so before, but I've always been worried that I wouldn't be able to make a good intro.

Edit: I did just now come up with a good intro image idea, so I'll be ready if you guys do choose me.

[myu2k2]

mkay, i was thinking about the BoT thing at work (bluh, bluh, spend 4 hours alone in an empty building you've got lots of time to think).....

We'll keep the 6-images=meme rule.... BUT, after 10 images a Best of Meme can be nominated among the images to represent the Meme in the BOT. If it is a Mega-Meme (one that gets more then 20) every 10 images a BoM can be voted on.

So, like the Primeridian meme, i think got about 25 images in it? So 2 images from the meme could be nominated for the BoT... Someone could then collect all/most the meme images into one post and we could link to it from the BoT image(s).

[autoglassmasterclass]

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[VeritasUnae]

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what the shit

Shocking development ! Old threads were basically MADE OUT OF MEMES and babbyDaves ! Then MSB came and they weren't.

Don't know what you're looking at, but a female staring forward that has nothing to do with Homestuck and wasn't edited in any way doesn't seem like a meme to me.

Scroll down. Then say that again. From my point of view, the link was merely a starting point. Or, as Coasterman said, "Dave babies everywhere! And now they are gone..."

No, I wasn't sarcastic.
No, I don't care about the other images.
If you link to a SPECIFIC POST you are generally TALKING ABOUT THAT POST.
And that post contains an image that seems HEAVILY OUT OF PLACE. Which would make 'what the shit' an appropriate reaction to such a post.
That is all.

Edit: Also, I'd like to host a thread some time in the future. Mainly because I would like to trial the Manip Table of Contents idea for its usefulness and such.

[BRPXQZME]

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[Cyborg771]

I just want to throw my hat in the ring for running the next manip thread.

Eeyup

I'm pretty relaxed about rules and drama. I'd curate the BoT like a gallery, if I think something is good enough it'll go there, if other people seem to really like something, even if I don't get it, it'll go there. If lots of people complain about something that's in there, I'll remove it. Apparently there is a limit of 25 images in one post so if that happens I'm sure we can figure something out. There won't be any rules about memes but if one goes crazy I'll probably ask for someone to compile it in one thread and I'll link to that.

No need to get draconian about this shit, we make silly pictures sillier on the internet. :P

[ashdenej]

Gee, there are a lot of contenders, suddenly. Who isn't competing? Besides myself, haha.

Well, Bfahome seems like a jolly nice chappy, and Cyborg has Fourth Wall experience, I suppose? I wouldn't rule out most people.

Is there even a comprehensive voting system in place? Or is it sorted out by collective confusion and papal presidential bulls?

Lessee...

The One Guy has expressed at least a tangential interest.
Bfahome has been suggested by the previous thread president.
Cyborg771 seems competent enough.
myu2k2 has said they'll do it if everybody of any merit at all somehow drops out.
Krakash thinks it'd be cool.
Ectobiologist'd give it a go.
VeritasUnae says they'd want to, if they could!

Any significant contenders I'm missing?

[VeritasUnae]

Apparently there is a limit of 25 images in one post ...

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[Cyborg771]

Apparently there is a limit of 25 images in one post ...

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This is an option.

Compiling the images together into a collage of sorts would work.

Also there's hosting it offsite. I have plenty of webspace.

[ashdenej]

Ah, but that's exactly what autoglassmasterclass is doing right now... although they're doing it for every single manip ever, so I guess you'd have the more specific BoT of the most recent thread? That could work, I suppose.

[AProcrastinatingWriter]

Cyborg seems competent, yes, but I'm not really comfortable with the 'whoever makes the thread decides which pictures go in the BoT'. I prefer the democratic approach we currently have (with perhaps modifications, yes, whole point of this thread), even if I don't participate much in the threads anymore.

It just doesn't feel right to me to turn the Best of Thread into the Hey Guys here are some of the Pictures I Like Post. Nothing wrong with a Hey Guys here are some of the Pictures I Like Post, but I don't believe such a post should claim to be what is genuinely the best of the thread.

Of course with autoglassmasterclass doing such a good job, this point may become moot soon.

ANYWAY for the time being, I'd vote That One Guy before anyone else. He's been in the manips for a long enough time to know how things work, I think, and he seems reasonable, competent, and able to handle the responsibilities. Cyborg also seems like this, but I disagree with some of the policies he'd implement, so there you go.

[ashdenej]

Right. I actually agree with you there!

Cyborg, d'you think you could revise your policies? Or are you going to stand strong in the face of disapproval?

E: Isn't a "Things I Like" post rather like an appreciation station... except reversed, I guess? Hmm. I'm still not sure I approve.

[myu2k2]

why not both?

This was what i was thinking about if I ever got it:

The Meme Rule I posted earlier would be how I'll handle the Memes. Keep the BoT, 4 or 5 noms with reasons will get an image into the BoT.

BUT. I'll also have a personal "These are the things i like" section tacked onto a post under the BoT.... mostly cause everything I like that I nom doesn't make it into the BoT anyways... Obviously good images get loads of noms, but there are still those odd-ball images that only get a couple noms but get over shadowed some how (usually because someone better posts an image and it gets ignored).

Also, what i really want to do is to get rid of all the old Templates.... I want to start a "New Template" post. Link to the old templates in previous threads, but leave the post for posting new templates that THIS thread makes.... even if it is only a couple templates, it'll be something New and current..... However, if anybody was energetic, they could find the templates from the past few threads that haven't been added to the old Template list, and we can add them to the New Template list. Then following threads can clean the slate and start again for their thread.

[ashdenej]

So you're CONTENDING? Can I add you to my little post up there?

I need to keep an up-to-date ballot that nobody'll read!

[myu2k2]

i won't fight it if someone better does want it, but I said i'll do it if Coasterman was the only other option out there.....

[Krakash]

I would really disagree with Coasterman running it too (sorry) because he posted this:

Is gryfalia something from MLP fandom? is it that bitchy griffin?

Which is insanely stupid and to be honest, if you make Coasterman the OP everything will turn to shit because I do not think he can even control his own posts in other threads and he still is pretty new here. Maybe he has changed, however.

I have been here since Thread 7 and, to be honest, I do not see anything wrong with memes. Memes are what the Manip threads were founded on, and if you take them out, that's like taking the legs off a chicken. In addition to being horribly maimed and all in all unsightly to look at, it won't be fun for the chicken. And it is the same as the Manip threads. Sure, people will post funny manips every once in a while but it is fun to see your idea being taken by someone else and twisted into a funny thing.

For example, the Primeridan manips. People started coming up with a lot of funny puns and stuff, and some of them were good enough to be put into the BoT, but with the meme rule they will all be grouped into the same thing.

People should be allowed to nominate a lot too. Maybe not too much, but you have to remember that there will be new people coming in tothese threads and they will probably want to see all the good work we have done, and they will almost certainly not want to read through about 900 pages. So we have about only 8 links or so in Thread 9's BoT, while we have about 17 images in the MSB Appreciation Post! It is totally crazy, and I am pretty sure people will not want to click on links, and maybe that is okay for the memes, but even the most original things suffer by being condensed into a small enough link while the MSB Appreciation Post gets as much space as it wants. Also Thread 9 really looked like it was sad and people didn't enjoy MSB's iron fist ruling style.

I think that a Best of Meme should be nominated, and then put underneath the link to make it look nicer. I strongly disagree with how MSB ran Thread 9. It was unorganised, and it really seemed like MSB didn't care for anything past the introduction post and his Appreciation post. Even if it was an uneeded post, there is a delete button! Also the thread has about 3 pages left and it still needs it's FAQ and the Templates de-Tavrosed.

All in all I think that we should get back to the basics. I do think that the meme rule should be introduced in a different form, such as it will only get into the OP if the posters make a compilation post and pick a Best of Meme if they think the meme was good enough to be immortalised.

Also I would be happy to run a thread. Sure I am past my manipping prime, but I would run you guys the best thread I could do, since I have far too much free time and I really like the manip threads and would be happy to continue it. I would not put any shitty rules down, because I am sure you guys are smart enough to know if you are wrong and have enough self control to not go over the top.

Also I wish that we could just keep manips non-serious. I mean, most manips are just made for a laugh, and I am pretty sure this argument should not have happened. I think we are taking this way too seriously.

But that is just my two cents.

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