Mother Grub ~ It's like Earthbound, but with the trolls!

[MaskedClaus]

Hi, this is the thread for Mother Grub, a fan game about the trolls. The gameplay will be based around Earthbound and the story will follow their adventure in Sgrub. A bit like the AlterniaBound flash, but with as a complete game. You can look at the spoilers below for more information.

Just saying: There's a lot of stuff in that post that is a little outdated or sometime badly written. But most of it is okay.

Gameplay:

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The game will be really similar to Earthbound and Mother 3. It will use the "odometer" health point (i.e. the characters health will goes down slowly instead of directly dropping to the number of hp left, hallowing the player to heal them before they die). Only that instead of showing the hp in an odometer looking window, they... . The stats will be the same used in Earthbound, only with the luck taking all of the guts job (for those who haven't played Earthbound, that page explain them well).

Every characters will have their own skills. They will be based on their class and aspect or the things they did in the comic. Some character will have two kind of skills, other will only have one. Everybody will also be able to buy fraymotifs at consort store. The fraymotifs will have various uses, some will deal damage to enemies, other will have will be made to support your team, but they will all be usable only under certain circumstances, like having under a certain percentage of hp, being the last troll alive or using the fraymotif with another party member.

Since the game have twelve character, but can only handle four fighting at the same time, you'll have to split the trolls into at least three party. They will be, at first???, determined by the story, but you will have a lot more liberty after a little while. As the story progress, you will be given objective to complete, usually vague one like: "Give gift to Aradia" or "Destroy prototyping ring". Those task will be accessible in the menu along with secondary one, usually little task asked by consort for boondollard or items. They will be made of smaller, simpler task, like reaching a destination, fighting a boss or finding something. After you get more liberties with how you team up character, you'll be given many objective at once and nothing will stop you to make Feferi and Karkat do a quest started by Tavros if that's what you want to do.

Finally, troll romance will have an impact on gameplay. Every character will develop love in a quadrant is they stay in the same party for long enough. After events like winning a fight, completing a side-quest or other things, they will win point in a quadrant. After a certain number of point, the game will decide that they are in love and will give them a special bonus. Matesprits will receive small stat bonus, usually extra HP or PP, and a little extra to some other stats. The member of a moiralegence with the highest vitality and defence will get the ability to protect their moiral. Kismesis will also get a little bonus similar the what Maresprit win, only that they also get a small disadvantage too (like +10 HP, -3speed). Getting two kismesis with an auspistice will give the three of them the bonus without the annoying lowered stat, but auspistice are a bit harder to do, since they take time to be made and need three party member. But those bonus will not be really important, they're going to save you if you're losing a hard boss battle. They will be really small. What will count the most is the quadrant gauge. It'll fill as the couple fight, and will allow you to use a powerful attack once it's full.*

The characters:

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Karkat, since he is the leader, is good at protecting his companion. His knight abilities allow him to protect dying trolls, counter enemy attacks and other thing like that, as long as you take the time to activate these power during the battle. He can also use his blood power, that require him to lose some of his health point to heal his friend or attack the enemies. He have a great vitality and defence, so he's good at using those skills, but he doesn't have a really high mangrit.

Sollux is you classic RPG black mage kind of guy. He's not really strong physically, but he's really useful as long as he have enough PP to use his Psionic powers. He doesn't use any weapon, so he won't to much damage with his hand.

Feferi, being the witch of life, is more specialized in healing moves. She's quite fragile?? having the lowest defence and vitality in the game. But at least she can equip weapons, so she can always deal a little more damage than Sollux.

Aradia also use Psi to fight, but she's a lot more versatile than Sollux and Feferi. She can use both offensive and healing Psi, plus Psi Ghost, a mix of Psi Rockin' and Flash. She will also get time based abilities, like slowing or speeding characters, or stopping them in time.

Gamzee always keep some sopor slime pies in his sylladex at all time just in case he would be hungry. Or a bit too sober... When you decide to make him eat one, some enemy will decide to eat a portion too. Since it's not made to be eaten, the sopor slime has some nasty effect on peoples bodies and will randomly inflict some ?? to everybody eating it. That means every time you use it, you'll end up hurting Gamzee and some enemy at the same time.

Nepeta is fast, really fast. She's the fastest troll, but also have a really weak attack. Her mangrit is quite low and her claws aren't really strong. But what stop her from being useless at fighting is the fact she can hit two time per turn using her claws. So in the end, she deal an average amount of damage, as long as both of her attack hit their target. Her special ability, her heart power, is to modify how her companion’s quadrant are filled for the duration of a battle or to fill a quadrant gauge. Of course both things will cost some PP, so they can't be abused.

Eridan attack a little differently from the other trolls, since he fight using his gun. The first difference would be that the game doesn't use his mangrit stat when calculating the amount of damage he will make. The attack will also often , but I'm still not sure how it'll work. Eridan is also going to develop some Wwithe magic power.

Terezi's a pretty strong character, since she doesn't have any big weakness, all of her stats are pretty good. The only problem she might have is that she sometime miss a little more attacks than the other troll, due to the fact that she is blind. Her main ability is to smell enemies to determinate their stats and weakness, just like Boney from Mother 3. She might also get coin flipping related skill: things like flipping a coin, 50% chances her next attack is assured to be a smash hit, 50% her attack will be halved. Or half the chance you heal your team, half you heal the enemies. But I'm not sure if I will do that.

Kanaya doesn't have any in-battle skills normally. Her power is to pick a set of dress. I decided to change that a little. Instead of choosing set of four dress in the menu, you pick the one you like. You still need to have four dress anyway. Her stats and skills change depending on what she's wearing and it randomly change after a couple of turn. So she almost become a completely different character after every few turn. Sometime she might get Psi or other skills.

Equius is STRONG, but slow. He can use his STRONG skills or his void ones. The STRONG are simple. They're things like: A stronger attack with a low chance to actually hit, boosting his offence stat, grabbing an enemy to make it stop attacking, etc. A bunch of miscellaneous things like that. The void ones are less important, since he doesn't have many PP to use them. The void powers affect everybody in a battle. One of them, for example, will remove everybody's STATUS AILMENTS. Another one could instead give everybody STATUS AILMENTS.

Vriska's attack will be randomized. She'll have more chance to get a good attack if her luck is high, but I can't say more, because I am still not sure how it will work.

Tavos will be pretty weak. He's kind of slow and he doesn't have a really high defence. He's still strong using his spear, but his speciality is to use his fiduspawn monsters in battle. But since communing with these monster is hard, it'll use a lot of PP. In other word, he's like a summoner in a Final Fantasy.

Jack Noir will also be playable for a little while, before he was exiled. I can't really say anything else about him for now, because I still have no idea for him.

The lands

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Most of the game is gonna happen in the twelve lands, so I don't want them to composed of long, boring corridor. Some will be open, while other will be more linear, but with some branching path to let more liberty to the player. There will be secret area accessible only with specific characters. There will be a couples of consort villages in each lands, with weapon and item shop. The consort will act as NPC. Some will give you small quest in exchange for new equipment or other stuff.

Description:
I'm writing this section to explain in detail how the land will look like and to talk about their design in general.

LOLCAT: LOLCAT will be a pretty weird place, a little like the saturn valley from Earthbound. The consort will live in giant teapot, there be huge pile of sugat cube everywhere. There will be an entire mountain made of sugar cube, with a consort village at its base.

LORAF: Before stroking the planet's forge, there won't be a lot of thing on Kanaya's land.
Since you won't be able to swim, you will be stuck on a small island. Since the island is actually the top of a mountain, there will roads descending to its base underwater, you will have access to these roads once the water level descended. You will have to go through an underground passage to reach the volcano. After the water level descended, you will have access to the rest of the land. It will be a swamp like area full of water, vine, flower and frog. The water will often reach the trolls waist. The rays will just come out of the ground like geyser and are probably not going to do anything. You will pass most of the time walking in river to access new part of the land.

LOPAH: There will be two different kind of area in Karkat's land. The first kind will be composed of archipelago of black stone islands connected to each other by smalls bridges. The other one will be similar to the part of the land seen in Make her pay, with the huge castle like structure that seem to be pumping blood or something.

LOCAS: In LOCAS, you will start in a huge map similar to place in the picture. The land will be very confusing and will have a lot of branching path. There wont be a lot of stuff in the caves, except from waterfalls and enemies. You will something find huge pit like the place where kanaya fought that huge underling in Make her pay. The consort will live in hole in walls.
More to come later.

Plot

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The game will start in a way similar to Earthbound. The camera will scroll above a various part of Alternia, before stopping on Aradia's hive. During that introduction, the words "The year is 216X", "Alternia" (or "name of town, a small communal hive stem on Alternia"), and Aradia's hive" will show on screen. Than we will see Aradia sleeping in her room and the sound of a meteor falling will wake her up. To continue with the Earthbound parallel, she will be stopped by her lusus, who will communicate with her by making sound that will be translated to something similar to what your mother tell you at the start of Earthbound. (I think trolls sleep with their clothes on. It could say something about cleaning the slime on her clothes before going outside).

After that, you will finally get to control her. After picking up a whip in a chest (or a gift box, or something else?), you go outside her hive. Now the problem with that place is that it's a huge empty field and I don't want to complicate things so I need to find a way to block the player path. I was thinking about doing tiny cliff thingy like that to represent the hill and block the player.

After walking a bit and fighting your first enemies you will find the crater and Aradia will jump in it. I think instead of jumping on the frog head she could just jump directly in the door and descend down the stairs. The cave will be longer than in the comic, but will still look similar. After fighting the first boss (I don't know what it will be yet!), she will find Lil'cal and contact some of her friend.

Later, Tavros is playing the Flarp game where Vriska tried to kill him. That part will be short, but will still take more time if you take the fiduspawn hunting seriously. It'll end with Tavros loosing to dangerous monsters and jumping off a cliff.

Fast forward some time later, Sgrub is starting and you control Equius, who is delivering the Soulbot to Aradia. After that point you will be given many "quest" to complete, so it would be quite complicated to explain all of them, since the can be completed in different order.

Music

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Music has been composed by composed by Dxpenguinman and Pious_Adjudicator . Made the title screen song and some nice battle themes. Pious composed music for the twelve lands. They both made a really good work!

[I'll put a link to the songs here someday]

To do list:

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Nluh, Bluh, outdated stuff
I'm making a list of my the things I need to give a better idea of my progress. I can tell you my objective for the near future is to make a small demo, with a small map and an enemy to fight to show the battle system. Once I will have reached that milestone, I will write another list

To do (not in priority order):

• Give everybody their own money.

• Finish making the random level up (just some stuff to fix)

• Finish the new skill menu I started, but never finished.

• Other things I forgot

Finished:

• Give every characters their own inventory, instead of having one for everybody. Done.

• Fix a bug that make the game crash when starting battle sometime Done.

Credits (Sorry if I forgot anybody):

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Programing:
-MaskedClaus
-All the people who made script I use. I'll list them all in the real credits.

Art:
-BubblegumPatty
- Lookatroopa
-Scarodactyl
-shinyjiggly

Music:
-Dxpenguinman
-Pious_Adjudicator

Ideas:
-Legendary (And writing too)
-Fayd
-And more people too that I'm not gonna list now, but will probably get credits in the game.

[ShadowOfFate]

What's this game being programmed in?

[MaskedClaus]

Whoa, I really forgot to say that? I'm using RPG maker, but I'm doing my own battle system in ruby.

[Legendary]

One quibble: The gate system does not work like you think it does. Davesprite explains it more thoroughly somewhere, but here's the gist:

Each land has TEN gates. Seven are above the house, three are in the land. The first, third, and fifth gates above the house all lead to the land itself. The second, fourth, and sixth are gates another player comes in from, like depicted here when Equius reached LOQAM: STRONGFALL. The seventh gate above the house leads to a Denizen. The three gates hidden in the land are all near where Gates 1/3/5 take the player and lead on to the next world.

LOMAT's gate system would work something like this:

Gate 1: Vriska's gate to LOMAT proper
Gate 2: Tavros's entry point
Gate 3: Tavros's gate to LOMAT proper
Gate 4: Gamzee's entry point
Gate 5: Gamzee's gate to LOMAT proper
Gate 6: Terezi's entry point
Gate 7: Gate to Terezi's Denizen
The other three gates would point to the second, fourth, and sixth gates of LORAF (above Kanaya's house).

Obviously of course if everything is already set in stone in your game feel free to ignore this, but it's worth pointing out.

[Fayd]

Another thought would be to divide the troll's combat skills between STRIFE skills and ASPECT skills (and if you were feeling particularly adventurous, CLASS skills)... the things that come from their weapons and their in game abilities.

Well, I have some character suggestions, if you don't mind terribly:

Karkat: Pretty solid, though I might include some ally buff skills too. He is a leader after all. He would have, if you went with my suggestion the following skills: Sicklekind, Knight, and Blood skills.

Feferi: Yeah, especially given that we really didn't see her fight much, I think yours is pretty good. Maybe she would have some higher magic/PSI resist, possibly even being immune to PSI attacks, as it was implied that she and HIC would be able to survive the Vast Glub (which killed off every other troll in the universe). Skills: 2/3dentkind, Witch, and Life.

Sollux: Yeah, you pegged him pretty well. He's the standard black mage to contrast Fef's standard White Mage. Skills: Psi, Mage, and Doom.

Aradia: Again, a fairly good interpretation. Skills: Psi or Frog-ghost-robot, Maid (buff/debuff skills, cleaning themes...) and Time

Equius: STRONG is a good idea for his base combat skill, but some ideas for Heir or Void: Heir could be very item related, especially as it is with John. Randomly finding items, some item based attacks (taking a healing item and throwing it at an enemy's head, etc.) Void would be antimagic and antipsi based skills. Redirecting enemy magic, nullifying it, being very defensive against magic or psi.

Terezi: An in-battle use for Seer and/or Mind: Buffing your ally's hit/crit chance, reducing your enemy's hit and miss chance, seeing what attacks your enemies will use for a few turns (can be combined with, say, Equius's magic/psi voiding for excellent defense), and things like that. Meta-affecting things.

Vriska: Yeah, I like the Dicekind mechanic you're suggesting. For thief, obviously we have stealing, but Vriska would have some interesting things in addition to steal item. Steal Will, where you would replace Vriska's actions with that of an enemy's, forcing it to attack its allies or itself if it didn't resist the attack and the obvious Steal Luck come to mind. Perhaps something like how Final Fantasy Tactics Bravery system worked could be a model for your luck stealing: For every 4 points gained/lost, she would gain 1 permanent point. She could then use some of her Light abilities like Decide Roll... you PICK a result of the dice for a relatively large loss of luck.

... I have some more ideas, but I'm running low on time. I'll try to finish up the rest of the trolls sometime tomorrow, if you still want ideas.

[cautiousCapricorn]

Oh hey I got some ideas

Sollux:

As the Mage of Doom I think Sollux should get this endgame skill that attacks all enemies on the screen, like a Meteor or something dropping on the opposite party.

Anyway do you know the Pokemon move Perish Song? I tihnk Sollux sohuld have his versionm of that like: eye of doom or something.

Equius:

MindFang mentioned in her journal that, Darkleer had a resistance to *Being seen with psychic sight" so I guess that's his Void power? I was thinking Equius could induce "Blindness" onto enemies, and pull his Teamates into the Void so they'll won't be hit by attacks.

So will you be granting Godtier for all characters, or just Vriska? I can kinda see how hard it would be to make Godteir for some characters, but giving them all the option of reaching it sounds awesome.

[Fayd]

...I sincerely hope you mean Perish Song.

[ShadowOfFate]

Anyway do you know the Pokemon move Perish Dong?

Oh yes I do.

"Metapod used Harden!"
"Sollux used Perish Dong! It's super effective!"

[Dxpenguinman]

I know you don't really require any composers right now, but just feel free to PM me when you do, I'll see what I can do.

[7H3 HUN73R]

Technically, the fraymotifs are related to a players element, right? Maybe those can be the special attacks since they kind of fit in with it. On top of that, since you obviously cant have fraymotifs precisely related to the element (for example, karkats Blood related fraymotifs wont consist of him conjuring a tidal wave of actual blood) you would have them consist of a move that has to do with what the elements based on. Im going to keep using karkat as an example, by the way.

Ive heard before that Karkats blood powers stem from his leadership, so one fraymotif would make karkat know that hes the Big Man (leader) and boost his confidence or something, then basically have the same effect as PK Offense up on himself alone. Alternatively, he would use another fraymotif which makes everyone (the players party) more loyal to him, and raise their offense instead. Maybe increase how much help their skills give to him.

[MaskedClaus]

@Legendary
Yeah, I had difficulty understanding how the gates worked before. I thought there was only one gate hidden in the land. And, no, I haven't worked on the gates system yet. I'll do it correctly.

@Fayd
STRIFE skills are the ones they have naturally (like being STRONG) and the ASPECT ones are from their titles, right? It's a good idea. I was thinking about doing something like that (because Earthbound also do something similar), but I didn't know how I should split them. I think I will do: STRIFE, ASPECT and FRAYMOTIF.

About Equius: I like both idea, but I'm scared he might become a bit too powerful with three different kinds of skills. I should give him more non-offensives skills (void and heir stuff like you said), so the player might use him less for battle and more for support. I'll think about that.

Terezi: Again, good idea. She could guess when they will attack (and make her party avoid more) or how they'll move (so they can't avoid your attacks), but it's impossible to know what move they'll do in the nexts turns since they are randomized.

Vriska: It all sound really interesting. I read a little about Final Fantasy Tactic's bravery stat and I think I'll do something based around that.

@cautiousCapricorn
Sollux and Aradia both throw meteor at the black king when they fight him, but I think only one of the two should be able to do it. I'm not sure who yet.
And also, only Vriska will go god tier. I want to follow the story.

@Dxpenguinman
Yeah, I'll do that.

@7H3 HUN73R
I think they are related to their elements. I thought about the fraymotif a lot and I think they will be special attacks that you can only use under specials circumstances. The conditions for some of Karkat's fraymotifs could have something to do with his leadership. Like raising everybody's stats when his party is losing.

[Fayd]

MaskedClaus, some clarifications:
By STRIFE, I meant their weaponkind. However, a striking number of the trolls do not in fact USE a weaponkind, or simply have something that is named better (Equius technically uses Fistkind and dual-wields 1/2bowkind on occasion, but STRONG is just better). Aspect works, especially if you don't want to have to parse things out as finely between their Class (Knight) and Aspect (of Blood). From my interpretation of the comic, a Fraymotif is a special combat maneuver tied to their Aspect specifically, not their class. They are, I assume, special powerful musically themed attacks (most of the titles relate to music, as does the term frayMOTIF). Several of them are similar to Chrono Trigger's Dual Techs and Triple Techs: A move that combines the actions of two or more party members for a strikingly powerful effect.

Equius: Yeah, that makes sense, especially if you fold Class and Aspect together into just Aspect. Now, you can keep some things from class, but that's up to you. To me, Equius seems like a traditional tank. Dishes out physical damage, soaks damage and protects the team.

Terezi: Well, even though the attacks are 'randomized' is it possible to have her set the seed for the random attacks, thus technically determining their outcome? That or completely override their attacks for a set number of turns? I don't know the engine that well, so I'm speculating.

Vriska: Not much more to say.

Now for some new character ideas!

Nepeta: Clawkind and Heart Aspect. It's quite likely that this is the heart as the sense of the emotional seat instead of the cardiovascular organ. This would make her a buffer and debuffer. Encourage her allies and raise their hearts... or crush the enemies with despair. Alternatively, a rogue, which is synonymous with a thief, could steal the enemy's heart, temporarily charming them ...Also, she needs a Clawkind attack called "KALI MA!" or however that quote from Indiana Jones is spelled. She steal's the enemy's biological heart, dealing heavy damage with a chance to autokill.

Gamzee: he would have the Jokerkind STRIFE specibus, which would enable him to have the unique ability to equip any weapon in the game. As a Bard, he's particularly flexible, capable of filling multiple roles (various music/comedy/schadenfreude based healing, debuff, damage type of effects) equally well, though not as well as a dedicated character such as Sollux or Fef would. Gamzee's the Red Mage. As the bard of RAGE however, he would have the capacity to berserk and deal incredibly heavy damage, possibly driving his enemies to become raging morons or enraging the passions of his allies (more justification for the buff/debuff). His ultimate ability, which I like being similar to Paula's Pray, would have a special effect during the final fight, also similar to Paula's Pray. When used during the fight with the Black King after he's a certain amount of health down... it triggers the next part of the fight: Ancestral Awakening (from Vriska). ...I could go on about my idea for the final fight for a while, but I have more trolls to cover!

Tavros: Again with the mind control! You'd think that's a troll thing or something! Anyway, he has Lancekind, which is not his strong suit... in Fact, instead of the standard STRIFE kind, he might just have Commune (with the default autoattack being his worst option). Commune would steal an enemy and have it fight for you. In addition, it would make him like a Final Fantasy Summoner. You call forth an enemy type or fiduspawn creature, it does an attack, guards a party member, what have you. As for his Aspect, Breath... he never really did much with it, but his flying 'wheel'chair could make that his melee attack options.

Eridan: Riflekind like you suggested, I think that works well. Hope is about instilling hope in your allies, aiding them, and destroying the hope of your enemies, hindering them. He is also (secretly) a bit of a wwhite wwizard, so he could have some healing abilities. Hope could also have him call on angels for aid... to which they are rightly pissed off and try to fry him. But by know, he's come to expect it, so he causes their wrath to miss and hit his enemies. Just some thoughts.

Kanaya: Kanaya has the Makeupkind, making her a deadly melee fighter, as well as the Space Aspect. The Space aspect can best be easily demonstrated by what Bec, Bec Noir, Jadesprite, and Liv Tyler do in comic: Teleportation, redirecting attacks, transporting items (such as teleporting a sword into an enemy's gut or swapping his pike (spear) for a pike (fish)), and enlarging and shrinking objects. Liv Tyler was made mostly with Jade's help, as her penpal implies, so we can be fairly certain it's a Space power.

Anyway, those are my random thoughts for the characters, and I'll keep my eye on this thread if you want clarification/more brainstorming.

[cautiousCapricorn]

...I sincerely hope you mean Perish Song.

Oh god, I just noticed that I fixed it.

@Fayd: The Meteor thing should only be Sollux because he's the player of Doom, and that's a Doomsday scenario.

Karkat:

Well he's the Knight of Blood, so maybe he gets more powerful the more damage he takes? (Wow I'm really stealing alot of things from games/other people) I think one of Karkat's moves should be manifesting a RAGESNAKE, so it chokes the enemy to death.

[Fayd]

Well, I will point out that Time mages in Final Fantasy Tactics get the Meteor spell as their most powerful (and difficult to learn) spell. As both Aradia and Sollux threw meteors at the Black King in the final fight (as Rex Duodecim Angelus implies, both musically and in the pdf that came with the album) I think it might be appropriate for both of them to have it.

[Wessolf27]

Just passing by and looking at the above, I think it would be a good idea to make Aradia and Sollux's fraymotif be a Meteor spell of sorts that could deal very heavy damage on all foes, since it's supposed to be ridiculously powerful, I'd bet it'd either have an extremely high PP cost from both Aradia and Sollux and/or a fairly long charge time? Hrm... maybe not so much to make it a Useless Useful Spell... but probably it should work best as a Boss Killer.

[Legendary]

It might also be that one gets the spell automatically towards the end of their leveling (at least, towards the end of the leveling the average player is likely to go through), and the other has to go through some sort of training sidequest to figure it out. Or that both of them don't get Meteor unless you max out their levels (as the trolls did), and this takes a bit of grinding, though really this is the less fun option.

Just some thoughts.

EDIT: Or, they can only use it on Reckoning-affected Skaia, and there's probably not much there except BK and a few other fights.

[Qirate]

Just some ideas for personal powers:

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• Karkat
I’d also suggest him getting a boost to relationship bonuses since he was able to cal gamzee and is such a pale whore
• Sollux
What about his Telekinetic ninja stars?
• Equius
For his void power you could have him harder to hit with magics since his void power made him invisible to doc scratch.
• Vriska
She also can put MANIPUL8 sapient beings like agents and can put things to sleep.
• Terezi
Her sniffs could make it easier for her to hit enemies since she doesn’t need to see them to hit them and the mind power could boost her allies more because she knows what they’ll do so she can buff them better.
• Nepeta
She could get a bonus to being in a group that has a complete quadrent fulfilled, such as her with karkat and gamzee she would boost them double what they would normally get, and it would effect it even if she was part of the group, such as her and equius would automatically get a super boost to their moirail bonus
• Gamzee
Gamzee also has fear powers. So, you know. There’s that.
• Tavros
His power could debuff the enemies like paralysis in mother or make them sleep like hypnosis.
• Eridan
Eridan got his “science magic” from the angels and may not get powers until they decide he’s alright. And he’s pretty horrible at relationships so maybe he can add a debuff to enemies the more of them there are, and cancel out the negatives of kissmesitude in people in his group.

Another idea, each character's sprite gets different buffs, like equius can summon aurthor for free heelz in the form of milk, and kanaya's grubmom can revive one character.

[Karhs12]

Maybe Equius' void power could let him remove status effects from teammates and buffs from enemies?

[OrangeAipom]

Kismesis should have a higher attack rather than lowered stats because lowered stats are dumb.

[Wessolf27]

Kismesis should have a higher attack rather than lowered stats because lowered stats are dumb.

Hrm... maybe it could be like how Pokemon are when affected by an attack like "Swagger" and "Flatter" their Attack or Special Attack stats rise considerably but they suffer by being confused every other turn (a substitute for this would be that there would be a random chance of the two kismesis trolls doing something else other than the chosen attack) granted it's annoying, but... hrm... that's the only idea I've got.

[Fayd]

Well, Kismissitude is like an extreme rivalry... one expression of rivalry is trying to outdo the other. Kismesis pairs have increased attack in battle, while matesprit pairs have increased defense. Moirails could have more resistance to hostile psi/magic/debuffs and Auspistices could... I don't know. That one's always more tricky.

[Wessolf27]

Well, Kismissitude is like an extreme rivalry... one expression of rivalry is trying to outdo the other. Kismesis pairs have increased attack in battle, while matesprit pairs have increased defense. Moirails could have more resistance to hostile psi/magic/debuffs and Auspistices could... I don't know. That one's always more tricky.

Maybe the Auspitice will grant Kismesis pairs a secondary defensive boost along with stopping them from doing some random attack, telling them to focus on the enemy and not get caught up in some rivalry.

[OrangeAipom]

Well, Kismissitude is like an extreme rivalry... one expression of rivalry is trying to outdo the other. Kismesis pairs have increased attack in battle, while matesprit pairs have increased defense. Moirails could have more resistance to hostile psi/magic/debuffs and Auspistices could... I don't know. That one's always more tricky.

Maybe the Auspitice will grant Kismesis pairs a secondary defensive boost along with stopping them from doing some random attack, telling them to focus on the enemy and not get caught up in some rivalry.

But Kismesises don't need Auspitices.

[archivesEternal]

Well, Kismissitude is like an extreme rivalry... one expression of rivalry is trying to outdo the other. Kismesis pairs have increased attack in battle, while matesprit pairs have increased defense. Moirails could have more resistance to hostile psi/magic/debuffs and Auspistices could... I don't know. That one's always more tricky.

Maybe the Auspitice will grant Kismesis pairs a secondary defensive boost along with stopping them from doing some random attack, telling them to focus on the enemy and not get caught up in some rivalry.

What if the kismesises have a chance to attack one another instead of the enemies, but the auspitice steps in and stops them (if they're in the party)? The initiating character might lose a turn, but, well.

[Legendary]

The auspistice three get a slight magic boost, but one that's weaker than the kismess/matesprit boosts (ie, K or M give a +3 to both, A gives +2 to all three)?