Role/Aspect/Title Discussion

[OrangeAipom]

John had to level up a lot to gain Mangrit. After all, before he needed Rose's help to lift a sledgehammer.

[deathsbuddy]

Did someone mention that Gent of Peace is surprisingly a little different from Gent of Piss yet.

[Legendary]

Yes. Yes they did.

[deathsbuddy]

Then again, you never know. The practicality of the roles might be very similar.

[OrangeAipom]

I want to find out whether it's Mage or Doom that gives a player two dreamselves.

[Dragoryu3000]

Next time Andrew's answering questions, someone should ask him how much of a distinction there is between their inherent powers and their S___B powers.

[Legendary]

I want to find out whether it's Mage or Doom that gives a player two dreamselves.

Honestly it seems that Sollux is a special case.

[OrangeAipom]

Next time Andrew's answering questions, someone should ask him how much of a distinction there is between their inherent powers and their S___B powers.

Ambiguous ansrew here.

[Homewinggamer]

Idea: Sollux's Doom ability is the actual reason he has so many (Dead) versions of himself

[Drillgorg]

There we go.

[Legendary]

Since we're merging all Role/Aspect discussion into one thread, we should probably rename it "Role/Aspect Discussion" or some such so that people don't end up opening new threads.

[deathsbuddy]

H-huh?

[Ranter]

Bluh...incidentally, how can I change the title? That's what I've been trying to do.
The title has never really been something I've desperately wanted to change before. Now it is. 8I

[Drillgorg]

Go to edit post, then go to advanced.

[Ranter]

Okay. Everything is edited and done. :P

[The_Unoriginal]

A faux guide to Sburb? "Sburb for Imbeciles"? And everything written from the POV of Karkat?
...
(HOW NOT TO SUCK BALLS AT THIS GAME, NOOKSNIFFERS.)
...
I'd consider buying it.

Obviously we're going to get "SBURB for Assholes."

In other places: Can Gamzee influence people against rage? I don't think he had enough sopor slime for all of those imps.

[Kuyan J]

On role powers being seperate or connected to powers from other sources:

The time players get some of their powers from machines, and Feferi got some of her powers from her connection with Gl'bgolybsprite. Witch of Space powers may come from connection with a First Guardian. Heir of Void powers appear to be provided by the game directly but be usable outside of the game. Heir of Breath powers may be similar. Thief of Light powers seem to be provided directly by the game and not usable pre-game. So it seems as though some powers are provided by the game directly and others indirectly.

[Kuyan J]

R.E. Seer of Breath: Might Seers of Breath have powers relating to Skaia's clouds?

My own case then, which has been stated previously but should be expanded upon, is that the role of the Bard is drawn from the Medieval commissioned poet and the Shakespeareian Playwright rather than what we're familiar with in RPGs.

My headcannon, even before I discovered Gamzee's title, was that Subjugglators were entertainers as well as brutal aristocratic enforcers of the hegemony, and Gamzee uses horns ('though not very musically). So bards seem to have at least a superficial "magic musician" thing. And SGrub is an RPG.

Taken that way, the Bard status would likely be one of behind the scenes orchestration: The playwright is never seen or heard on stage but responsible for the script; The Bard thus never applies his aspect directly but rather set up future events relating to it. (Although this most likely restricts the Bard to more metaphysical aspects lest we see Bard of Breath releasing Butterflies to create storms a week later.)

I'd think any class/aspect pair would be possible. Perhaps Bards of Breath do create storms with butterflies. Or they might use weather to instigate other things- for example instigating things by creating storms so that people are indoors when they need to be and breezes to make underlings catch particular scents at particular times.

[Legendary]

It is filled in! Those are all the canon roles we know. TG and TT haven't been assigned yet.

[Ranter]

Taken that way, the Bard status would likely be one of behind the scenes orchestration: The playwright is never seen or heard on stage but responsible for the script; The Bard thus never applies his aspect directly but rather set up future events relating to it. (Although this most likely restricts the Bard to more metaphysical aspects lest we see Bard of Breath releasing Butterflies to create storms a week later.)

With Gamzee, if we assume the "Rage" aspect as the aspect of Destruction, then he very much fulfills the role when he's off Sopor: In one of the the doomed timelines for example, he writes the honkHONK code which forms the majority of Scratch/English's First guardian code and from there sets up the Great Undoing.
In the Alpha meanwhile, Gamzee creates Little Cal and the Dream Harlequin doll (Which influences John to draw clowns on the walls, which leads to the maimed jester prototype, which leads to Jack Noir killing the queen, which leads all the way back to the troll's loss and the other half of the Great Undoing.)

Until now I've always pretty much bought into this theory, and maybe subtly setting things into motion is still a factor, but I'm not sure if that's all it is, anymore. See, I was just listening to this again...
and for the first time I kind of wondered. How did he know that slime was poison? It obviously wasn't common knowledge, because Karkat didn't know that it was, either, it just simply wasn't eaten. The whole pretense for Gamzee eating them so often in the first place was that he didn't know any better. Furthermore, why did it just now suddenly occur to him that he should use his friends blood to paint "miracles"? Till now, I just assumed that's what happens when he's sober, like everyone else did, I guess, but if that were true, then he'd never get back to eating slime pies again, right?

So...maybe as a Bard --a story teller-- he recieved the memories of his ancestor?

[The Almighty 404]

John had to level up to get as strong as he is now, sure. But the Derse players always seem to start at a far higher level than Prospit players. Maybe Equius just had all the levels (with all the mangrit) since he was a grub ?

[Wriggler needs a name]

Oh there was a thread merge? That's good I was a little shocked (SHOCKED!) when I saw this went from 4 pages to 32 in on night

EDIT:

I wonder about something. If the classes, aspects, Lands, consorts and Denizens the player gets assigned are all aimed to give him the chance of personal growth...
Why did Vriska, as the so-called "fully realized" Thief of Light, still get offed?
Why do God Tiers, in general, still risk a heroic or just death?

My only guess would be that because true immortality has been established to be a glitch in the universe. And besides, what does the risk of death have to do with personal growth? All the players are confronted with the chance of death all the time, in fact are made to make that choice to attain greater power. I think it's the proof of concept, if the character has achieved the great personal growth and are willing to risk themselves for the greater good (HEROIC) and if the simply powergamed and took power for the sake of power then they do not deserve it (JUST).

[Rikushadow5]

Oh there was a thread merge? That's good I was a little shocked (SHOCKED!) when I saw this went from 4 pages to 32 in on night

Going from Page 4 to Page 32 in one night, for some of the threads (mainly the main comic discussion threads) is hardly a big feat around here.

[Kuyan J]

Derse players always seem to start at a far higher level than Prospit players.

Why do you say that?

[meticulousParadox]

From what we've seen of Terezi, I've got a hard time thinking that the Mind aspect is 'elemental' in nature. Blood I can definitely see being a 'water' analogue, and Heart might be one too, (hell, it's an anagram for earth). But Mind? Less so.

Sollux, on the other hand was at least partially associated with Fire - maybe Doom as an elemental aspect?

Well in reality there's no way Heart powers aren't exactly as useless as they were on Captain Planet.

But Blood and Doom could be water/fire. Could be. Won't, but could be.

I think Heart, Mind, Blood and Doom corresponds to x-factors (relationship, information or choices, mood, sign of death(?), respectively) that can affect a battle.
Hero of Doom can judge whether how high the risk of death of an action taken by the player rather than controlling elemental powers like fire.