Torquemadras: You are being That Guy. It's you.
Please stop being That Guy.
Torquemadras: You are being That Guy. It's you.
Please stop being That Guy.
To clarify, you are not being the one That Guy who happens to disagree with the crowd. If you disagree, fine and fair. Give your reasons, and don't be an ass about it. But you're not doing that. You are being the That Guy who charges in, lays down his opinions, and insults anyone who disagrees, and calls upon the tired old cliche of "it's just a (insert entertainment medium here)" as an excuse for anyone who happens to dislike something about it.
To be honest, I just think that the article's style of talking about the show is incredibly counterproductive to analyzing the whole thing, and I wouldn't want to see that tone here. I overreacted there, so no offense meant.
As for Amon: he was shown to be a complete hypocrite. He may have truly believed that removing bending was the greatest power, and that bending was the root of all evil, but he still wanted to see himself at the top. It was Yakone all over again. It might have been to late to reveal the whole revolution as a sham, yes, but I think that's what the whole scar make-up and our wise crazy hobo's story was meant to show.
As for spirituality, I don't think it was the resolution that was introduced, it was the issue that Korra can't airbend. They didn't have to be linked. I WISHED they were, yes, but that's not what the show chose to do. Once again: I agree here.
/// Nobody picked up on the "episode 5 was great" bit! Man.
/// But if you don't want me to argue, I'll stop and that'll be it.
Mass Effect was worse for me (I haven't played the extended cut yet, though I doubt it makes that much of a difference) because I felt my agency was taken away. At least here, I had no control to begin with.
Homestuck is a lot more similar for me. I too lost quite a bit of interest and even more patience with it lately, though I think the reasons are opposite: LoK felt like a great story cut short and broken, while Homestuck feels like a great story stretched way too long until it becomes not much more than a gooey mass of in-jokes, far too bloated for its own good.
Sad, how the mighty can fall. Well, at least Mistborn won't fail you.
Here we'll just have to disagree. I enjoyed the show, but I'm not afraid to say that it laid out what appeared very strongly to be a large amount of plot hooks that it never followed up on, that I believe would have improved the story greatly had they been pursued. And I'm no less afraid to plainly say I'm disappointed they didn't, especially with how strong the early parts of the show were. If you don't think so, then we're at an impasse and unlikely to convince one another, so we should probably just agree to disagree and go our separate ways.What I mean to say is that I think all this disappointment is unnecessary, because some of it seems to be purely from wrongly conceived expectations. Yes, I think it becomes nitpicking on a high level. The good parts are, for me, just far too strong.
Now that I've spent a week processing the ending. Yeah I pretty much agree with the thread, its not that the last five minutes were the only bad part, but that everything else building up to that last five minutes was in the wrong place.
I know Avatar is an action show, but it put in a little too much action when the show was in desperate need for a good case study of the central conflict, and a better more clever and substantial resolution to everything that had been built up besides "Bam, Avatar State, Big Kiss, Done".
Also that essay is utter perfection. And Mass Effect 3's Ending is still a punch in the gut regardless of the two minutes of slideshows that they tacked on for the DLC.
Mistborn is actually quite similar to LoK in a few ways: You got your strong, actiony female lead with awesome powers, your quirky yet competent crew of followers, the magic that can only be done by few, and only fewer can wield all of its aspects, fighting against a charismatic, extremely powerful foe. The thing about Mistborn is, it does what LoK failed at- its ending is bloody amazing.
(when you're done with Mistborn, give The Way of Kings a look. For a single book in what is going to be a long series, it is very self contained and is completely, unbelievably great).
Glad you answered seriously, Oblivion.
So I think the main theme was more about these two brothers heading down the same path of destruction. Tarrlok realizes this (and Amon maybe does as well now, hence the tear in his last scene). The bender vs. non-bender aspect did seem a little strong, yeah; maybe the creators should've stressed more how it's mostly a lie?
But, hey, it could still be groundwork for the second season! If it'll be "Spirit", maybe we'll finally get that bender vs. non-bender conflict for real. It's just too fascinating!
Now, I'm curious if we'll find out more about the author's intentions once the commentary episodes go up. Yes, I know, "death of the author" and all, but it might help put into perspective what was really there, what was a genuine mistake on the creator's part, and what led to too high expectations.
I can see that they're left out to focus on Amon's mad crusade, but it's still great material. Maybe next time. I do not think the first season is diminished because it's barely mentioned, but I do think it would be great if the conflict gets "properly" examined...
If he doesn't come back in season two, heads will roll.
That would be awesome.
And that's part of what disappointed me. I wanted Amon to be sincere. I wanted him to truly be some guy who was so ticked off at having his family murdered and himself mutilated that he went on a crusade against all benders. I wanted his rage and thirst for vengeance to have been so profound it attracted the attention of something in the spirit world and granted him a power normally unavailable to everyone except his most polar opposite -the Avatar itself. I wanted him to be the spiritualist opposite to Korra's physical focus as much as he was her opposite in bender vs. non-bender.But it's not benders oppressing non-benders here, it's Tarrlok going to extremes. If anything, it mirrors Amon's approach: both go to extreme lengths to do what they think is necessary, but in the end they're just terrorizing and enslaving people, just like Yakone did. That they happen to target exactly opposite groups is just another of all those parallels being drawn. In the end, benders and non-benders are in exactly the same position, with the difference that Amon is openly a terrorist, and Tarrlok is fighting from the inside.
I wanted him to practice what he preached. I would have loved seeing a few ex-benders having been persuaded by his talk and added to his ranks, despite what he did to them, because he truly believed what he was doing was right and managed to convince them. I wanted to see the inequalities being stressed, and people starting to understand how badly disjointed the bender/nonbender dichotomy was.
They didn't do that, even though they had the perfect setup for it and until the last two episodes they could have ditched the whole Tarrlok/Noatak part of the plot and gone with it and not needed to change much of anything else. Heck Tarrlok's whole plotline worked without it - he had the connections to the city, the plot, and the Avatar he needed through Yakone, we didn't need Noatak being Amon to round it out, that bit just seemed tacked on.
THAT is where Korra dropped the ball. They had all this set up by halfway through the season for a massive bender vs. non-bender political showdown. They had all the pieces in place. They had the perfect examples of extremists on both sides - Amon for the non-benders and Tarrlok for the status quo - and Korra perfectly positioned so that she was in opposition to both and could have gone for the middle road. Then they took a hard left and drove the plot off in a completely different direction, leaving all these hooks they'd set up hanging.The bender vs. non-bender aspect did seem a little strong, yeah; maybe the creators should've stressed more how it's mostly a lie?
If they'd meant to do this whole thing from the start, which I'm guessing they did, then yes they failed to set up any hints to it whatsoever, or at least that I caught, until the last second - the first hint, in show and outside fan-theory, that Amon was anything other than what he claimed was Tarrlok's exposition-dump backstory. And not coincidentally, that is where the Korra-Mako-Amon half of the finale started going downhill for me. (As I said in my big discourse post, the Bolin-Asami-Iroh half was sheer head-to-wall awesome from start to finish. Absolutely zero complaints there.)
I just realized Amons plan at the end had a fatal flaw.
He didn't know how to take away airbending.
If he had tried to take away Tenzin and his kids bending that would have been hella embarrassing.
I think taking away bending is basically the same for each element.
So apparently people here have problems with both this show and Homestuck for similar reasons as I do (pacing).
I'm not surprised by that. So much was set up and so much never panned out. This show gives off the same 'incomplete' vibe that Sym-Bionic Titan did, except in this case it had a clear ending.
Also, I have not played ME3 and know nothing about it's ending. I'm assing that I should assume I can influence any aspect of said ending and should take what I'm ultimately given, however...
Someone I talked to about it said that the developers had promised something impossible and it sounds like this actually happened in the end. And your reference to the endings being 'excessively bleak' makes me curious to see what they are like for myself...
...In my own time.
In any case...I don't know what else to say in regards to this show? It feels like all avenues of discussion have been worn out...
Hence .gif dump thread.
That or a very long shipping discussion.
Or the Asami Fan CultClub.