Legend of Korra: finale spoilers

[Darlos9D]

@wheatthins: Do I really need an explanation on how debating works?

Also, there's still a big difference between "handled awkwardly" and "completely racist." If I said "handled awkwardly" about Song of the Roustabouts, I'd sound like I was actually trying to downplay its racism, and I WOULD be wrong for doing that. But that's not what happened. I was talking about LoK which isn't being blatantly horrible and insulting about anything, so I wasn't downplaying anything. It is simply awkward, at worst.

Your attempt to show a flaw in my argument by reapplying it is faulty in that you're not really reapplying it to an equivalent situation. You may disagree and think they're equivalent though. I don't, obviously.

"In the Barrens": I have no idea; presumably something to do with whatever game this is capped from.

"The Barrens" is an area in World of Warcraft. A fairly low-level Horde area. It's known for being big, having a lot of people (many new to the game), and its specific general chat having a lot of absurd and stupid conversation going on.

It's more of a savanna than a desert, though.

[Freack]

It was perhaps the funniest thing ever.

And you are missing out severely.

[Torquemadras Trump]

You know, I'm honestly not bothered by the botched Equalist perspective thing. And hearing about the stuff Nickelodeon pulled makes it easy to see why people jumped on that train. However, I didn't miss it, the show works just fine without it. It's just true that the show would probably have been enriched greatly. Oh well. Can't have everything!

And that's pretty much the whole extent of me being pissed off at that missed opportunity!

I still hope it'll be picked up in Season 2, simply because, with Amon out of the way, the aftermath would be an excellent opportunity to explore it. But whatever.

There's some nitpicks (like the airbender offscreen abduction, the whole Mako-Korra thing being a little too clumsy, somewhat wooden Equalist fighters later on, somewhat sudden plot resolution and, of course, not enough "leisure time" episodes...), but the only thing REALLY bothering me is how Korra gained her airbending. Been reading some insightful things here; nothing's perfect, sure, I can deal with some hiccups. But the airbending stuff is the only really bad thing, in my opinion. A real waste of a character arc. It just bothers me how ACCIDENTAL one of Korra's most important scenes ends up being. Hell, gaining airbending because Mako's in danger is even just fine, but I wished their had been more purpose in Korra's actions afterwards, like intentionally knocking Amon outside, maybe even goat him into bending in front of everyone by giving him an air-induced beatdown of a lifetime. Anything that looks like Korra learned something, which there are only small traces of.

So, Korra's character arcs has a serious flaw. I'm fine with pretty much everything else. Could've been a better show, but couldn't it always...

[Darlos9D]

GUYS GUYS FORGET ALL THIS SOCIAL COMMENTARY STUFF.

MOTHERFUCKING SPIRITS.




I am now 100% betting they're going to use Amon's time between youth and adulthood to say "hey he actually did talk to spirits" and then introduce this whole crazy spirits plot that way.

God I hope I'm right.

[Wheeeeeeatthins]

quickedit: I started writing this an hour ago and didn't update the thread so this was written before I could see that "guys forget the social commentary" so I swear the one sentence near the end isn't directed as a jab at the above post I mean ask triguy how even back a year ago was I complaining about the tendency of people on the internet ask for topic changes

There's still a big difference between "handled awkwardly" and "completely racist." If I said "handled awkwardly" about Song of the Roustabouts, I'd sound like I was actually trying to downplay its racism, and I WOULD be wrong for doing that. But that's not what happened. I was talking about LoK which isn't being blatantly horrible and insulting about anything, so I wasn't downplaying anything. It is simply awkward, at worst.

Your attempt to show a flaw in my argument by reapplying it is faulty in that you're not really reapplying it to an equivalent situation. You may disagree and think they're equivalent though. I don't, obviously.

You were offering that an inaccurate portrayal might be credited as part of success toward improvement because it causes people to talk.

I am countering that an inaccurate portrayal should not be counted as a part of success toward improvement because it is an independent event from the actual talking--talking being the event which actually causes the improvement. The inaccurate portrayal can just as easily lead to no discussion toward improvement, or it can reinforce false notions and cause regression. These three different outcomes from the inaccurate portrayal can all happen at once--it's not one or the other! And the discussion toward improvement also does not have to happen for a successful discussion toward improvement.

I make an argument of this with a different, more severe inaccurate portrayal. If you look at the youtube comments for the Roustabouts video (please don't if you don't want to be put in a bad mood for the rest of the night), you will see that many people even with that example do not see something wrong with such an inaccurate portrayal: therefore, only when a constructive discussion takes place between two parties should success--a positive outcome of a set objective--be counted, and only the successful effort itself should count (as unsuccessful efforts that happen at the same time were also brought about by the portrayal).

The inaccurate portrayal in Korra is not nearly as extreme as the Roustabouts one; I've acknowledged this by saying the Roustabouts is extreme. Perhaps a less extreme example would be better?


This world war I-era song sung by a non-stutterer sliiiiiightly inaccurately depicts the affliction of someone with a stutter. You see, in the song, the character of the speaker is okay with speech except when speaking to women--he's tongue-tied, and his stutter is brought on by nervousness. Nervousness, however, is not what causes stuttering: it's a brought on by a mix of developmental and biological factors and no change in relaxedness will fix a stutterer.

The song might have a negative effect by reinforcing the myth that nervousness causes stuttering, so those who later meet a someone with a stutter in real life might try to invite a stutter to 'relax' or 'slow down' or 'start over, gather your thoughts' to try to assist them in getting words out. Such things won't help--"I'm already relaxed; what do you mean 'gather my thoughts?'"--and could miff someone with a stutter right-quick! as they feel they are being talked down to or start thinking "augh that guy must think I'm stupid."

The song could also have a positive effect when it prompts those who are informed about stuttering to speak out to others to let them know of the real causes of stuttering and some of the difficulties stutterers face due to their affliction. As a result of this discussion, brought about by the song, there will be some success in helping people learn how not to treat stutterers incorrectly!

Now, would you say the inaccurate portrayal then described above is a success in itself? I wouldn't; since most people who heard that song weren't going to be involved in a discussion about stuttering. Most people consume simply media and would rather just dance! and they don't want to actively think about the stuff they're listening to. They might not seek discussion at all and never be confronted with underlying themes, or they will react with apathy/distaste/avoidance when someone brings the topic up, complaining man I do not care about this, this is boring and a waste of time, I've had a long day at work and am tired, quick look over there it's a topic change darting across the prairie! hurrah! it prances like lightning's last chance in an antelope that's going to get lion-sniped* in pmuch five seconds anyway.


I feel like this is the last thing I can say about this particular line of conversation and I'll move on with no more of it in this thread!

Okay, correction on the Trotsky thing. My bad.

And I look forward to this hypothetical new thread.

Also, I guess we can agree that the show's handling of it's themes was one of many issues it had and that even if it were a bit more significant fixing it wouldn't be enough to fix the show entirely?

First- awwwww I am just giving you noogies and horseplaying around, it is all good no one even knows what an ice axe is and furthermore why would anyone have one in mexico city shouldn't that be like red flags aplenty? "Hey customs, I have my snowboard and my ace ixe and I'm going to go to that mountain. You know the one.

oh and yes handling of themes would not fix show, pacing concerns are a commonly raised points. Pace to the finish.


*lion-snipe refers to a mix between a lion and a snipe. As you can see now my conversation is relevant to avatar as I mentioned that one chimeranimal native to that one kingdom.

[Darlos9D]

Okay I'm honestly impressed I haven't seen a single post here all day. Was the spirit thing already talked about here or something?

[Tren]

Okay I'm honestly impressed I haven't seen a single post here all day. Was the spirit thing already talked about here or something?

Yeah, there was a discussion a few pages back.
Actually it was probably about a dozen pages back. Those political arguments sure took up a lot of thread real estate.

[Quirk]

In their tongue he is Wheeeeeeatthins: Threadkiller!

So I just saw The Dark Knight Rises. Halfway through the movie I started replacing the cast with that of Korra, and it turned pretty awesome pretty fast.

[Triangle Man]

In their tongue he is Wheeeeeeatthins: Threadkiller!

So I just saw The Dark Knight Rises. Halfway through the movie I started replacing the cast with that of Korra, and it turned pretty awesome pretty fast.

As a growing fan of insane and ill-advised crossovers, I must ask you which changes to the cast you made in your head.

Mostly because it could very well be unintentionally awesome.

[Quirk]

As a growing fan of insane and ill-advised crossovers, I must ask you which changes to the cast you made in your head.

Mostly because it could very well be unintentionally awesome.

Bane = Amon
Batman = Korra
Commissioner Gordon = Lin
Alfred = Tenzin
That Other Cop = Mako
That Other Other Cop, With the Dress Uniform = Saikon

[Triangle Man]

Bane = Amon
Batman = Korra
Commissioner Gordon = Lin
Alfred = Tenzin
That Other Cop = Mako
That Other Other Cop, With the Dress Uniform = Saikon

And there we go.

Of course, that sounds about right in terms of roles go.

How was the movie going for you beforehand?

[Quirk]

And there we go.

Of course, that sounds about right in terms of roles go.

How was the movie going for you beforehand?

I blame College Humor for preventing me from taking the Dark Knight trilogy Batman seriously at all.

Beyond that, good movie.

[Triangle Man]

I blame College Humor for preventing me from taking the Dark Knight trilogy Batman seriously at all.

That's a good enough answer for me! Have a tangibly related redub in response!

[Quirk]

Holy shit this is awesome.

[*Sigh*]

Who's the guy?

[Quirk]

Who's the guy?

That's a girl. Her name's Vin, from the Mistborn series which A) has a magic system often compared to Avatar and B) is fucking awesome.

[Dmatix]

That's a girl. Her name's Vin, from the Mistborn series which A) has a magic system often compared to Avatar and B) is fucking awesome.

I love Korra and all, but Vin would kick her ass in two seconds flat. Korra might be a decent fighter, but Vin is a killer. And Vin herself might not even be the most powerful Mistborn. And the Mistborn are almost certainly not the most powerful in the Sandersonverse.

What I'm saying is, Korra should be glad she isn't living there.

[kd7sov]

Huh. That's... not very much how I'd imagined Vin. Even ignoring the shoes.

It's often compared to bending? Really? I mean, there are vague similarities with iron/steel, but I don't see much beyond that.

Now, if Korra were - in addition to a three-quarters-plus Avatar - a Feruchemist with a bunch of charged steel on her, I could see that being a decently even fight.

[Dmatix]

I always did prefer this one for Vin: doesn't get much more badass than this.

[BewareOfNerd]

What the-

How in the-

HOW THE FUCK IS A SKINNY TEENAGE GIRL LIFTING A SWORD LONGER THANT HER ENTIRE BODY?

[Dmatix]

What the-

How in the-

HOW THE FUCK IS A SKINNY TEENAGE GIRL LIFTING A SWORD LONGER THANT HER ENTIRE BODY?

Explained in-story, and is consistent to the internal logic of it. Suffice to say she gets the power to do so by burning pewter in her body (other metals give other powers).

[kd7sov]

Aw, man, I should've come back sooner. I was just gonna say "Pewter." to compound the confusion.

[Triangle Man]

Explained in-story, and is consistent to the internal logic of it. Suffice to say she gets the power to do so by burning pewter in her body (other metals give other powers).

So what I'm getting is that she's some sort of living furnace person?

Only logical comment here, right?

And now, another crazy crossover pic, okay?

[kaoticAntagonist]

fuuuuuuck i missed mistbornchat didn't i.

bluh, i hate traveling.

edit: quirk where did you get that pic anyway?

[PumpkinMan]

So what I'm getting is that she's some sort of living furnace person?

That's not too far off of a description, actually.

Also, that picture makes me think of earthbent golems. Specificially if an earthbender could manipulate the ground so as to operate a working hand out of stone without just having the stone around their hand. Like a hand coming out of the ground and grabbing something.