IDE/Theory Thread 23: The choicest of theories that money can buy

[Legendary]

Not really. Hussie stated explicitly that Quest Crypts work with your last life in general, not your dreamself in particular.

[Zanzanar]

IDE: We haven't seen the last of Doc Scratch.

I say this because I want to know what he's like without the perfect foreknowledge.

[ponce]

Black is a weird colour for clouds. Earth ones can be black only when seen from below, when they block enough light. They are always white from above (except rarely they have sufficient dust in them to look a different colour).

Black clouds could just be showing images of something that is black, e.g. a random bit of paradox space where the clouds expect something to be but there is nothing. Or (as others have suggested) they could be looking into a Void-player blackout.

Light in the medium seems to emanates both inward towards the battlefield and outwards towards the Ring via the empty space the clouds occupy, so black clouds actually could mean rain, given the light would be coming through clouds towards Prospit, in the way that a storm cloud blacks light from the sun relative to the ground.

[Zanzanar]

Actually, I have a better IDE:

UU: bUt i have referred to him as a brother at times becaUse it is close enoUgh to being trUe, mUch as yoU refer to the one yoU regard as yoUr ancestor in the same way.

UU was being literal here: She and her brother are related in that one is the other's Ancestor. Her session includes the Ancestors and their descendents playing the game together. When they're ectobiologized, they'll be sent back to around the same time.
I'll go a step further: This is the normal way S***b operates. Ancestors and descendants being divided into different groups is something that only happens with sessions that are Scratched.

[radicalNinja]

Actually, I have a better IDE:


UU was being literal here: She and her brother are related in that one is the other's Ancestor. Her session includes the Ancestors and their descendents playing the game together. When they're ectobiologized, they'll be sent back to around the same time.
I'll go a step further: This is the normal way S***b operates. Ancestors and descendants being divided into different groups is something that only happens with sessions that are Scratched.

This is how i thought of the alternate version of Sufferer also being in the same place with Karkat, since their sessions are merging with their shenanigans.

[whitehelm]

A bit of a stretch but....

IDE: The session-wide blackout that UU sees isn't caused by Roxy, it's actually caused by the arrival of Godtier Rose, who still has some grimdarkness. It got amplified by the tiger.

[FeralSolaris]

IDE: Since the r-kids will probably prototype the bodies of their parent-figures respectively, the game will translate them into sprites as normal, but the prototyping will result in the black queen's ring granting the powers of the four heros of the previous session. The new boss will be Her Imperial Condescension and will use the powers of breath to combat Prospit in the battlefield, the powers of Time and Space to arrange for LE's arrival in the new session, and the powers of Light to make it all happen, making the final conflict a literal chess-match between Rose and HIC with Roxy and Jack Noir being the primary wild-cards on either side.

[The Mather1]

IDE: Since the r-kids will probably prototype the bodies of their parent-figures respectively, the game will translate them into sprites as normal, but the prototyping will result in the black queen's ring granting the powers of the four heros of the previous session. The new boss will be Her Imperial Condescension and will use the powers of breath to combat Prospit in the battlefield, the powers of Time and Space to arrange for LE's arrival in the new session, and the powers of Light to make it all happen, making the final conflict a literal chess-match between Rose and HIC with Roxy and Jack Noir being the primary wild-cards on either side.

Only carapacepeople can use a queen's ring. So Condesce has actually rid the game of a powerful boss.

[The_Codfish]

Considering that none of the Kings or Queens will ever receive a prototyping from the players' entry, it seems likely that the Condesce herself would be much more powerful than any of the other Derse royalty. And she's also a rule-breaker, like Bec Noir was. So lots of added danger there.

[The Mather1]

She is a force to be reckoned with due to her political powers, but since her only actual power is not to die of age, she herself should be considerably weaker than all of the pre-scratch kids and surviving post-scratch trolls except possibly Karkat and Terezi.

[Conspicuous]

She is a force to be reckoned with due to her political powers, but since her only actual power is not to die of age, she herself should be considerably weaker than all of the pre-scratch kids and surviving post-scratch trolls except possibly Karkat and Terezi.

She was still an extremely competent combatant, matching the Handmaid in power and with her new Lord English given abilities is even more dangerous.

[The_Codfish]

What Conspicuous said. Plus, the higher on the hemospectrum one goes, the stronger they are physically (Clear example; Feferi dragging a whale from the surface to what was likely the deepest part of Alternia's ocean [where else would she keep her lusus that would be similarly awe inspiring?] to feed Gl'bgolyb). With the exception of Equius and, maybe, the Highbloods. Or it could be physical strength peaks at the Highbloods and stays a constant; who knows.

Oh, and there's also that resistance to psychic attacks. Though, the Condesce probably doesn't need it.

And, well, she still has a vast empire supporting her, with advanced technology and a legion of drones. Plus whatever else Lord English must have given her when she entered into his service.

[The Mather1]

Pretty sure LE can't actually give them powers apart from the immortality he cursed the Handmaid with.
And yes, she is both physically and psychically stronger than most trolls, but here we have either 4 or 5 gods, a barely stable Destroyer of Rage, a rainbow drinker and two others, and the four non-gods are presumably at the top of their echeladder and in possession of weapons of near unmatched strength.

[Conspicuous]

Pretty sure LE can't actually give them powers apart from the immortality he cursed the Handmaid with.

Snowman got an universe-heart, warping powers, seer abilities and the ability to talk in a way we can read.

Those aren't abilities she'd be likely to possess beforehand.

[The_Codfish]

The Mather: The Felt? 'Cause I'm sure that, through whatever mysterious process they gained their powers, it ultimately all came from Lord English. *THEORY*

Plus, we've already seen how capable the Kids' guardians were in their session (Bro was able to fight quite evenly with Noir before he ascended to the dog-tiers), so considering how long lived and experienced the Condesce is in fighting, I think she'd be a match for anyone who wasn't a godtier player. Which is lucky for the kids and trolls, since they have more than one godtier player on their side. The problem is, the Condesce doesn't need to fight them; she's got an army to do that for her and years of planning and preparation. She seems intent on disabling the session as well as corrupting one of the players (Jane). Who knows what she's got up her sleeve?

[Conspicuous]

We don't know when the old kids will arrive either, it's entirely possible the Condesce will have to be dealt with before they arrive, she'll certainly pose a great threat to the new kids.

[techloveArtist]

We don't know when the old kids will arrive either, it's entirely possible the Condesce will have to be dealt with before they arrive, she'll certainly pose a great threat to the new kids.

It is very possible that The Beta Kids will arrive at 4/13/12 so in this case, shenanigans could happen which will bring the Alpha kids from 11/11/11 to 4/13/12 too.

[The Almighty 404]

It is very possible that The Beta Kids will arrive at 4/13/12 so in this case, shenanigans could happen which will bring the Alpha kids from 11/11/11 to 4/13/12 too.

I always keep reading the second number as the month. For a moment I was wondering "wait, what's the month after december but before january ?" You silly mm/dd/yyyy users. The worst things is that time shenanigans kinda make that possible.

[Conspicuous]

Year/Month/Day is the One True Format.

[simon.clarkstone]

YYYY-MM-DD is the One True Format.

Tweaked that for you.

[Primal Zed]

ISO-standard or bust!

[ScarletTiger]

Just something I remembered right now... if John and Jade broke a 4th wall, and there's another 4th wall on the other side... I can only picture them breaking the new Jack Noir's 4th wall on Derse, which is just ridiculous enough to actually pass.
Provided it wasn't stolen by an awesome space Granny on the way.

[ArmsAreLoud]

I always keep reading the second number as the month. For a moment I was wondering "wait, what's the month after december but before january ?" You silly mm/dd/yyyy users. The worst things is that time shenanigans kinda make that possible.

You can say April thirteenth, Twenty-Twelve.

If you say Thirteen April Twenty-Twelve it sounds dumb. You have to say Thirteenth of April. Which is still dumber than the first one.

[mysteriousOutsider]

And this is relevant because...

?

[ArmsAreLoud]

Because the European way of doing things is dumb

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