Nimz fell back asleep, so I'm posting this for him.
Nimz fell back asleep, so I'm posting this for him.
although that does make me think of something, alpha dave had to sleep at some point, dream self or not your body eventually gets tired, what do you think happened to his dream self if alpha dave at more than one point in his own timeline went to sleep at the same time on the regular timeline?
Also, he speaks in all CAPS. So it's pretty hard to confuse the two.
I realize that the IDE is based on him going into God Tier already dead, but the heroic/just conditions were stipulated to be the only ways that a God Tier can die, and so I doubt that it really matters how he becomes a God Tier.
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My final theory concerning LE in AH´s domain:
He is there to enlist RoboJack´s help, in the same way he enlists the help of all other followers. He will give RoboJack time-powers, which will counterbalance with BecNoir´s space-powers. As such, JackNoir´s three remaining variations will be: BecNoir, master of space, RoboJack, master of time, and the third one (the one who got KO´ed by WQ) will somehow go beyond the grid of space-time, becoming the void where such elements do not exist.
LE will manage to bring RJ(RoboJack) to work for him by giving him the chance to kill AH and the new BQ (Condescence) who LE will refrain from saying is not the same BQ RJ knows...
It might be possible to weasel out of that condition by saying that, since he's a Prospit dreamer, Karkat's ascension involves a merger, not a revival (Vriska, Jade, and John could all be said to have merged with their still-living dreamselves). Thus, Karkat is never "alive" and never needs to "die" to be dead. He just stays dead.
When Vriska talks to John after he gets shanked by Jack, she asks him if he's "still dead", implying that Godtier revival does involve a "being dead" step. Thus, Karkat should become a dead Godtier, trigger the "heroic/just" test, and revive, since it has been established that getting surprise-killed by Jack in order to heighten drama is not considered heroic or just.
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The second point is sound since it's, essentially, exactly what I wrote in my previous post. That would mean that your counter-point to my point is countered by my initial point. These is a class-A point paradox or something.
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Theory: Hussie will wait until the moment John is about to break down to reveal that Vriska has been alive for the full three years of the journey, and he'll then point out in a Tumblr post that her body and the blood stain were missing from the zoomed-out shots of the meteor during its short stay at the Green Sun. Until then he'll only leave very minor clues, such as the tank that was supposed to hold Vriska never being shown more than as a thing that's just outside the frame and as small pieces of smashed eight-balls being barely visible in the background of some frames.
And, you know, the fact that she appeared dead in a dream-bubble. That kinda clinches it, really.
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IDE/Theory: Trolls' godtier wings reflect their horns, or their symbols, or something important to them:
- Vriska's have spots like her Vision Eightfold
- Aradia's just kind of have circles. Could be cycle-of-life-and-death thing, could just be the way her horns and/or the ends of her symbol curl around.
- Doomed!Karkat: No wings visible. Three options here.
- He doesn't have any, possibly due to his status as a mutant (Karkat seems unusually close to human for trolls - red blood, barely any horns. Maybe this is part of that). Alternatively, he has short stubby little ones that aren't visible and may or may not work anyway, just like his horns :P
- He lost them somehow. IDK if this can even actually happen.
- They're just hidden. Vriska's done that with her wings before, hasn't she? So it's probably a thing they can do. Most likely option by Occam's Razor, I guess.
- Doomed Eridan: Big zig-zaggy suckers. Very much resemble his horns, though they could refer to his symbol (like his horns probably do in the first place). Incidentally kind of awesome, but I'm a sucker for dynamic purple shapes.
- Doomed Feferi: Slender, swoopy ) ( shape, just like her horns and her symbol.
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This is my theory about Dad,
BOTH adoptive Dads are in fact colonel sassacre from the scratched universe and therefore the SAME PERSON.
Firstly it would explain their design similarities without the neccessity of even considering ecto shenanigans.
Where in the original universe colonel sassacre was killed by babyhass we currently have no frame of reference for scratched sassacre.
There isnt a lot of evidence to support this theory, but i want to see if anyone can actually convincingly debunk it.
but if he commits suicide he knows where he will end up, and in his opinion its not that awesome.
so why would he do it?
Also, I know people who read the comic who are triggered by depictions of suicide
and for good reason
so I'm happy that it would entertain you but it would actually make a lot of people miserable
and not just in a superficial sense
Not that I think there's any real chance of Karkat offing himself. Of course he's got to have a reflective philosophical period to prepare him for going all Widsom of Troll Jesus on everyone's ass.
Hussie didn't need her dead, just out of the picture for a while. Also if she did stay dead, then he would have corrected the images where her corpse is missing by now.
This page shows two Dream Daves and two sleeping Daves, one of which is the doomed Felt Dave. So doomed Daves presumably have their own dreamselves.
If Davesprite had a dreamself, it's probably dead now that Derse's moon is exploded.
Although now that I think about it, I'm not really sure how that works. We know Equius and Eridan were awake when Derse was destroyed, right? So unless they never woke up, their dreamselves should just not have existed at that point. (I think the page I linked above does a pretty good job of proving that dreamselves disappear when not in use rather than being teleported to their tower or something.) So either their dreamselves were destroyed anyway or they died when their realselves died.
Wait, we know Kanaya was awake when Prospit was destroyed because she was chainsawing Tavros's legs off. But we also know that her dreamself was dead before her realself was. And she definitely wasn't still asleep on Prospit. Hmmm. So maybe dreamselves do stick around when the realself wakes up, but Jade's glasses just don't count them when they're sleeping? But then where did John's dreamself go? Aargh, I don't know.
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I have seen no other sessions in the bubbles. This may be the result of the exact gate they have chosen to pass through. Every vertical line is a scratch and every horizontal line is a frog.
As far as the meaning of death in homestuck, arguing that it is arbitrary is contradictive. The universe is using an arbitrary idea like death in order to end alt sessions. Usually, reality doesn't care if you die. In homestuck, sessions in which everyone is dead stop. This means that the universe is paying attention to your presence in it. At the moment you die, a record is kept of you in the form of a bubble. This means that a bubble is either a dormant universe or a hero storage device. If it is a hero storage device, then even your failures are important enough to keep and have some use. I don’t think it is a dormant universe because it doesn’t seem to have any substance to it. If the bubbles are not dormant universes, it means that the real universe is still out there somewhere. If all the bubbles are from the same universe, it means that the universe is resetting with slight differences resulting from time travel instead of stopping. So death is a sinking into pure nothing but a monster will make a copy of you! I don’t know if that would work outside of a universe. The space and time powers that involve altering details of the universe don’t work correctly. Maybe space death is real?
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