[Fire Emblem] General Chat: Jeigan is op plz fix

[unbeliever536]

Since Fire Emblem now has four five threads devoted to it on the fora, I thought it would be good to start up a general chat for it.

So first, here's those four threads:

Red709's FE forum game! Alas, signups are closed.

Arms Are Loud's Hard-Ephraim-no-Valni run of Sacred Stones

Dais' run of Genealogy of the Holy War, modded so it is more balanced...BUT HARDER

Mustavus' Let's-pretend-it's-pokemon run of Sword of Seals, archers only

g1nf1zz'ssss plain vanilla, no frills run of Fire Emblem Blazing Sword

And now, some thoughts to start the discussion:

Why's everyone so into the cavalry? I keep hearing CAVALIERS MAN THEY'RE THE BEST but I'm just like, infantry is a boss what are you talking about.

Skills: Yea or nea? Balance them, maybe?

Who loved FE4's ridiculously long chapters? I sure did. They give you a sense of urgency when you move on to the next castle. No tooling around in your base/on the map, gotta go grab that next castle!

[Chirality]

You can hardly go wrong with a cavalier. They can move after taking actions while having superior movement, and usually get good health, defense, attack, speed, skill, con. They can tank and rescue people far away with no problem. It's incredibly difficult to get an RNG screwed cavalier.

[unbeliever536]

Yeah, but except for the canto, there's an infantry unit that beats them out on all of those counts (though not all at once). I feel like using cavaliers is just boring, unless you absolutely need the mobility like in FE4. But they diversified the cavaliers in that game, and Noicht and Alec (the only two standard cavaliers in 1st gen) suck. Though I haven't gotten to 2nd gen yet, and Ares is apparently good.

[Chirality]

Some classes can get higher stats than cavaliers, but cavaliers are more than decent in almost all of them*.

*assuming they don't already really suck, pre-promoted or horrible stat growths.

[Dais]

Maybe I'm just not nearly efficient enough with EXP but I never find things like stat caps to be a problem when I play pretty much any FE game, and player cavs tend to have good enough stats that they do just fine. Even outside of FE4 I find their higher mobility to be at least useful in specific situations like gunning down thieves on those certain levels. Foot units undeniably have higher caps and usually better growths, but you pretty much need a couple mounted units to take care of situations where speed is key. I don't think an army that's more than like 50% cavalry would ever be a good idea outside of 4 though. Especially if the FE level designers started putting in more anti-cav weapons in later levels.

Ares/Aless is amazing, especially for a unit whose growths you can't control, but it's largely because of the Mistoltin- Res is super-important against a lot of bosses so it and the Tyrfing are in my opinion the most valuable holy weapons. (I screwed up and didn't get Holsety on my 1 playthrough though so I'm not including that. I know how awesome that Spd boost is though.)

[Alec Trevelyan]

Is there a guide for starting FE games for complete tards? Like, which to play and how not to die. I got the GBA one from 3ds ambassador and I love it but all the guys which are good in that one guy's LP died.

[MaskedClaus]

Is there a guide for starting FE games for complete tards? Like, which to play and how not to die. I got the GBA one from 3ds ambassador and I love it but all the guys which are good in that one guy's LP died.

There should be some good guide on gamefaq and serenesforest is also a pretty helpful website when you want information about character's stat and shit.



Also, a long time ago, before I started working on my Homestuck fangame, I tried making a Fire Emblem game on Rpg maker. The idea was to recreate Radiant Dawn with the 2 generations mechanic from FE4. I managed to make the character move on the map correctly, but then I abandoned because it was too complex for me to do.

[Red709]

Chiral, you're funny! you're saying Cavaliers and Paladins beat out Myrmidon/Swordmaster, Mercenary/Hero, Wyvern Rider/Lord, and/or Pegasus/Falcon Knight? personally "decent" in all stats seems pointless to me when you can make an equally balanced team from more specialized units that cover all the bases. Also "Decent" doesn't cut it in Hector Hard Mode... haha. Tho I'm kind of prejudiced here, my cavaliers usually get semi-RNG screwed...

as far as skills, only three skills should exist: Assassin's Silencer (the only reason they exist), mounted units' built-in canto (not the move after attacking kind though fuq dat bs), and the thief's lockpicking skills, whether you actually need a lockpick or not. just about every other skill is eternally broken beyond repair.

also quick FE protip: if a unit in your army dies, RESTART THE CHAPTER. you have nothing to gain and everything to lose from letting a unit die.

[Siegmundfried]

I figured eventually we'd make a thread like this.

The thing about cavaliers is that if you're doing ranked runs - ie, trying to get the best 'ranking' possible - they're pretty invaluable because of their movement. And some of the stuff in 4 is impossible without them - especially in Chapter 2. God, the Knight Ring is such a bitch even WITH everyone running at max move to save those Paladins, and the Bargain Ring demands you blow by Philip in order to take Heirhein and recruit Levin before the bandits burn down that village way the eff away from everybody.

Speaking of which - Sigurd, best lord? Sure, Celice is almost always better statistically, but I dunno, I just prefer Sigurd over everyone. Hector probably comes the closest.

[unbeliever536]

Personally, I like Ike because he wasn't a lord for the whole game. It's nice to have a guy who isn't a royal in charge in a game series that's mostly about nobles being awesome and killing other, evil nobles.

[Siegmundfried]

I'm afraid I never played the Tellius games, so I can't talk about Ike that much. Only what I can infer from reading scripts and looking at stats and stuff.

[unbeliever536]

Pff. I'm talking like I know fire emblem and all I've played is Path of Radiance, Sacred Stones, and the first four chapters of Genealogy.

[Red709]

I like Hector the best.

then again I'm biased because he has a giant axe.

and a beard at the end.

[Chirality]

Chiral, you're funny! you're saying Cavaliers and Paladins beat out Myrmidon/Swordmaster, Mercenary/Hero, Wyvern Rider/Lord, and/or Pegasus/Falcon Knight? personally "decent" in all stats seems pointless to me when you can make an equally balanced team from more specialized units that cover all the bases. Also "Decent" doesn't cut it in Hector Hard Mode... haha. Tho I'm kind of prejudiced here, my cavaliers usually get semi-RNG screwed...

I only said that a cavalier is never a bad choice in a team because they have little weaknesses overall. Even with a balanced team, having that unit that will perform well in almost any fighting situation, that can tank reasonably, rescue, transport, be mobile, is great help. Not being a bad choice does not mean you cannot have better options. I've never said that a team of 4 cavaliers was a good idea, you made that up by reading what you wanted to read.

My Sain did awesome in Hector Hard Mode. It's not just about the stats, but what you do with your units.

[Siegmundfried]

Pff. I'm talking like I know fire emblem and all I've played is Path of Radiance, Sacred Stones, and the first four chapters of Genealogy.

Hey, I've got Genealogy and all the GBAs under my belt, and that's about it.

[Ikkl]

I'm a big fan of Mercs/Heroes. I've never had any luck with Myrmidons and I prefer to have more units that can use axes who aren't also awful early on.
Actually, I think the RNG just screws me over in general. Pretty much every unit that people rave over has never leveled well for me.

Recently I played through the first 4 or so chapters of Lyn's story just for kicks. Every time I tried to set a boss kill up for her, Sain would critical with a 2% and wipe them out. It was great and terrible at the same time.

[causticlyOptimitious]

It's nice to have a guy who isn't a royal in charge in a game series that's mostly about nobles being awesome and killing other, evil nobles.

So... Ike, who gets an infinite use Prf that's pretty much the only weapon in the game that can cut through plot armor, has access to one of the most broken skills in a game full of broken skills, and is basically just so badass that the other nobles are forced to promote him to save face, is a relief from awesomeness overload? Yeah, okay. And that's not even getting into Radiant Dawn. (Which, admittedly, I haven't played, but I hear he hasn't lost his touch)

I like Lyn, myself. You can never go wrong with green hair.

[Dais]

I'm a big fan of Mercs/Heroes. I've never had any luck with Myrmidons and I prefer to have more units that can use axes who aren't also awful early on.
Actually, I think the RNG just screws me over in general. Pretty much every unit that people rave over has never leveled well for me.

In know in Blazing Sword's HM Raven is basically the best unit in the entire game, and although Myrmidons appeal to me more I can't deny that Mercs are freaking awesome. But I wish we could see more Fighters like in FE5 personally. Othin, hell yeah. Who else gets a killer hand axe and doesn't even strictly need it? Nobody, that's who.

So... Ike, who gets an infinite use Prf that's pretty much the only weapon in the game that can cut through plot armor, has access to one of the most broken skills in a game full of broken skills, and is basically just so badass that the other nobles are forced to promote him to save face, is a relief from awesomeness overload? Yeah, okay. And that's not even getting into Radiant Dawn. (Which, admittedly, I haven't played, but I hear he hasn't lost his touch)

I like Lyn, myself. You can never go wrong with green hair.

Lyn held the position of my and one of my friend's favorite lord for a long time. For me up until I played 4, which was only after going through every game released in english.

And Radiant Dawn Ike seems to be quite a bit more powerful, yes. Personally I think he looks a little goofy but it does help keep him looking different from previous lords and solidify his whole 'not royalty' thing.

[godFish]

Lyn would be my second favorite lord, after Hector because Hector Also he gets an axe and kicks so much ass.

[Red709]

I only said that a cavalier is never a bad choice in a team because they have little weaknesses overall. Even with a balanced team, having that unit that will perform well in almost any fighting situation, that can tank reasonably, rescue, transport, be mobile, is great help. Not being a bad choice does not mean you cannot have better options. I've never said that a team of 4 cavaliers was a good idea, you made that up by reading what you wanted to read.

My Sain did awesome in Hector Hard Mode. It's not just about the stats, but what you do with your units.

calm thyself o chiral-y one! I was jokin'.

cavaliers and paladins are the best all around units, I'll admit - every physical weapon type but bows, good movement range, enough def/res to take some hits, enough speed to dounle most classes that aren't lightning fast (only a myrmidon doubles a myrmidon!), enough attack to deal damage, and enough luck to avoid tons of crits... I just personally dislike cavaliers and use them only when necessary. They're just... not fun to use I guess?

I personally dislike Ike because he's mister OP-as-fuck

I mean hell, at least Hector isn't PERFECT... but more importantly he has afucking blue beard. And he's also kind of ruler of the biggest nation of Lycia. And face it - Lilina is cute

btw, what are people's favorite support convos? I personally like Ninian and Eliwood's support. it's hillarious how damn AKWARD they manage to make it!

[ArmsAreLoud]

Lucius/Serra C support is the only good option for best support.

L'Arachel/Ephraim A support gets runner up.

Anyways @Cavaliers: The only reason they're considered so much better than other classes is due to their mobility. That's it. My more defensive, let-the-enemy-come-to-me playstyle basically nullifies that which is why I prefer Archers/Mages because when they fight they don't get hit.

[unbeliever536]

Gotta love Claude and Sylvia's conversation in ch 4 of FE4. It's not exactly a support, but it's what led to them.

"Excuse me, you seem to have lost all of your clothes to some bandits. Can I help you?"

[ArmsAreLoud]

That's Sylvia speaking to Claude, right

Not the other way around

[unbeliever536]

No, it's Claude saying that line. Sylvia might start the conversation. Really, it's hard to decide what's best about that conversation. That line? The budding romance between a 14 year old and a priest? The fact that Sylvia may, in fact, be Claude's long lost sister, who (I think) only comes up in this conversation?

[ArmsAreLoud]

Upon looking up who Sylvia is suddenly that line makes much more sense.

It's like

"Ooh, she's pretty much naked anyways he just thinks she threw together some drapes because her clothes got stolen"