[Fire Emblem] General Chat: Jeigan is op plz fix

[MythicalWashrag]

Am I too late to talk about how much I hate what they did with supports in FE10?

Because I really hate it.

I play games more for characters and plot than I do for numbers. Support basically let me control what relationships I wanted to happen and rewarded me for it.

If support wasn't a thing I doubt I'd be so into FE. I love tactics games but Support is what drives FE to damn near the top of my list of favorite games. To see it so dumbed down in FE10 broke my heart.
I still like the game. Nephenee is still a badass.

[Red709]

I play games for the gameplay. if it wasn't fun tactical gameplay, I wouldn't play FE, regardless of how good the story and plot are. Part of why I don't hate FE10 quite as much for the support thing... but yeah it's still dumb what they did with that.

[unbeliever536]

Nephenee is and forever shall be a badass. She is a light infantry lancer. She is a myrmidon holding a knight's weapon. She is a GODDAM BEAST (except not, laguz are more trouble than they're worth).

[Dais]

So hey I've been thinking about this since Red started his Fire Emblem campaign: am I the only one who would be interested in an FE style arena-ish game? One where folks make their units and join teams maybe and then duke it out? The ultimate idea would be to give players a chance to compare their philosophies, strategies, and preferences for types of units and see who comes out on top- or just who's luckier when it comes to the RNG. There would probably be bracketing of some kind in order to ensure relatively fair matchups while still rewarding having enough commitment to level up units extensively. There also may or may not be opportunities to fight NPCs, I dunno since I personally would like to encourage player versus player stuff.
Unless people would prefer it the other way I would be introducing a sort of custom-class creation system based extremely heavily on the one from a forum that used to have a couple of excellent FE RPGs going on it.
I'd post this in the games subforum chat but I think FE fans are more likely to see it here. And this is all the validation I need.

Also poor Akaneia. Nobody loves the original Fire Emblem setting.

[Red709]

So hey I've been thinking about this since Red started his Fire Emblem campaign: am I the only one who would be interested in an FE style arena-ish game? One where folks make their units and join teams maybe and then duke it out? The ultimate idea would be to give players a chance to compare their philosophies, strategies, and preferences for types of units and see who comes out on top- or just who's luckier when it comes to the RNG. There would probably be bracketing of some kind in order to ensure relatively fair matchups while still rewarding having enough commitment to level up units extensively. There also may or may not be opportunities to fight NPCs, I dunno since I personally would like to encourage player versus player stuff.
Unless people would prefer it the other way I would be introducing a sort of custom-class creation system based extremely heavily on the one from a forum that used to have a couple of excellent FE RPGs going on it.
I'd post this in the games subforum chat but I think FE fans are more likely to see it here. And this is all the validation I need.

Also poor Akaneia. Nobody loves the original Fire Emblem setting.

Because honestly the story was pretty stupid in Akaneia IMO... ahahahah

as far as the game went, it was way too easy in a lot of respects

I mean, seriously Marth doesn't get a promote or anything and he's as big of a or bigger monster than Ike is. When you can pretty much solo the entire final chapter with just Marth at level 20 something is wrong. And then in the DS remake for Shadow Dragon... well... Forging and Class Changing was OP as fuck. You could literally, for almost no penalty, just give a unit with stats that would work better on a different class that class. like the Ranger - he had terrible stats for a Ranger but make him a General and BAM he's the fucking best general in the game; while if you sat around arena grinding for a while you could make a freaking iron sword have more attack than Falchion. Shadow Dragon gets some credit as the first in the series... but the others are later in the series and as such have major improvements. Which is kind of a thing.

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Yes I just accused an FE game of being too easy. FITE ME

[unbeliever536]

And now that both parts of my new title idea have come up in conversation, I'm going to go change it. Also lol Akaneia. But it does get plenty of love as Jugdral.

[Chirality]

I voted Tellius just because it seemed like the geography and politics mattered a little compared to the rest.

[Red709]

I like Elibe because FE7 is my favorite... hahahahah

[unbeliever536]

I went with Tellius because I liked not having a noble as the main character. Gameplay wise, my favorite is FE4.

[Obselescence]

I'd like Supports more if they didn't make my min-max-oriented brain hurt. The way they work is kind of complicated -- not mentioning accounting for support rings when building an optimal team -- and there was this one time where I put a great character into a couple sub-optimal support conversations by accident (then saving), and I was all like "Oooooooooh shoot. What do?"

Totally silly, but I am about that sort of thing.

[MythicalWashrag]

I don't fault anyone for choosing gameplay over characters/plot; hell, I feel like I'm in the minority by preferring it the other way around. Different strokes and all that. I just so happen to be the type of person willing to trudge through bad gameplay to see the story. Fortunately, there is no trudging involved in FE. The fact that FE satisfies both types of people speaks volumes about how good it is.
I've said it before: I've never crunched numbers in this game. My picking characters is pretty arbitrary: Who is amusing? Who is attractive? Who do I want to pair up with who? It's never "Oh this person has the best growths GET ON MY TEAM."

That's how I play, anyway!

Also, to secure my position in the minority, except for a select few characters that I love, I don't restart when a character dies. I'm doing a Sacred Stones playthrough and have had like 3 or 4 deaths due to very idiot mistakes, pushing my RNG luck, and one goddamn fucking phantom ship. But the risk of permanent death is another thing I like about Fire Emblem. Mostly, I accept it and move on. I don't know if anyone else plays this way? SHRUG.

[ArmsAreLoud]

Generally support bonuses are so fucking awesome regardless of affinity that you have to be REALLY into it to consider affinities all too much. If I were to look at it from a purely gameplay perspective I'd go for characters that are going to be hanging around each other a lot.

@MW: You are not alone. The character development in FE is definitely the best part of the game and the support system is a brilliant way to make sure all characters get that development.

[Siegmundfried]

Jugdral, because FE4 has a lot of weird stuff that makes the game fun. Things like which characters getting paired up in the first half changing the capabilities the second, so you can change how the game plays with each playthrough.

Also, being able to use every character was always nice, even though some of them were full of suck.

[ArmsAreLoud]

Do any of the FE games lack characters that are full of suck?

I guess you can make a case for FE8 but if you take out Valni you've got a couple that are not and never will be worth it cough Ewan cough cough).

[unbeliever536]

I don't fault anyone for choosing gameplay over characters/plot; hell, I feel like I'm in the minority by preferring it the other way around. Different strokes and all that. I just so happen to be the type of person willing to trudge through bad gameplay to see the story. Fortunately, there is no trudging involved in FE. The fact that FE satisfies both types of people speaks volumes about how good it is.
I've said it before: I've never crunched numbers in this game. My picking characters is pretty arbitrary: Who is amusing? Who is attractive? Who do I want to pair up with who? It's never "Oh this person has the best growths GET ON MY TEAM."

That's how I play, anyway!

Also, to secure my position in the minority, except for a select few characters that I love, I don't restart when a character dies. I'm doing a Sacred Stones playthrough and have had like 3 or 4 deaths due to very idiot mistakes, pushing my RNG luck, and one goddamn fucking phantom ship. But the risk of permanent death is another thing I like about Fire Emblem. Mostly, I accept it and move on. I don't know if anyone else plays this way? SHRUG.

The characters are great, it's just the plot and settup that I find lacking. Take FE10. Yes, it did just turn a great new plot into a repeat of ye-olde save the world theme, but it included the line "I am the desert, and I brook no intrusion." I can't not love that line or the character that goes with it, despite the fact that I never used him. Really, that is one of my favorite single lines from anything ever.

[Red709]

it still fails to beat L'Arachel's "CAD! BEAST! PERVERT!"

[Mustavus]

I think I've talked more about Fire Emblem about twice as much as anything else on these forums at this point. Shit's weird, yo.

So hey I've been thinking about this since Red started his Fire Emblem campaign: am I the only one who would be interested in an FE style arena-ish game? One where folks make their units and join teams maybe and then duke it out?

No idea if this fits the bill or if you know about it, but http://feto.feplanet.net/ . Apparently they don't want you knowing what the site actually is without an account or something? I don't know why it's hidden. Anyway, I don't remember ever actually getting around to playing a single game, but it looked like it could be interesting. Lots of character customization and whatnot then you make your units kill the other guy's. Kinda like a more elaborate version of Shadow Dragon's online play.

@MW: That's generally handle my first playthrough of these games. Then the min/maxer in me takes over and I need to make the game my bitch. It's a very primal instinct.

@Arms: Yarp. I would agree with your saids. For both turn count and my patience affinity isn't nearly as important as how naturally/quickly a support can build. I guess the exception would be if someone out there still plays the link arena.

[Red709]

lol
>implying you can still find someone with a working GBA and link cable

unless ambassador Sacred stones is wireless...

also I cannot frikkin WAIT for 3DS FE Awakening. I WANT MY FIRE EMBLEM

as far as the whole "picking characters" thing, I honestly pick based on what I think will give me the best overall tactical advantage. I hate ranked runs because they're all GOTTA GO FAST. Sure, that's a FORM of Tactics but... it's just not my thing. Same way I love chess but hate speed chess with a fiery passion, I guess. (also like I said earlier, all the units I'd normally want for ranked runs tend to get RNG screwed... well everyone but Florina. She gets Str blessings like crazy, lol)

as far as character death... that's just one of those "If I don't get a perfect survival rating I feel like I'm doing it wrong"

...also I hate to be a dick and say this but uh... why does everybody find the Haunted Sgip chapter in SS so hard...? I beat it on the first try...
...then again the question is valni or no valni... lol...

[Red709]

3ds can't use edit function post: also, time for a vote - WHO IS THE BIGGEST AND MOST LEGENDARY PoS UNIT OF ALL TIME?!

I vote Renault because... well. . .
...Renault. I mean seriously. terrible growths, bad stats, joins you in the second to last (third with the gaiden) chapter, and is forced to compete with Lucius and Serra for Bishop position, if you even use one. yeah.

oh and since if you want to complete the support library you need all of renault's, too that means you have to NOT give the units he's going to support A-rank supports until then... and then you have max. two chapters to get them. and using him in the gaiden is STUPID.

[Siegmundfried]

No idea if this fits the bill or if you know about it, but http://feto.feplanet.net/ . Apparently they don't want you knowing what the site actually is without an account or something? I don't know why it's hidden. Anyway, I don't remember ever actually getting around to playing a single game, but it looked like it could be interesting. Lots of character customization and whatnot then you make your units kill the other guy's. Kinda like a more elaborate version of Shadow Dragon's online play.

I actually had an account on that site and used to play with FETO. Problem is, tried logging in recently out of curiosity to try and see what I had, but despite being able to log in, I can't get into FETO. So, who knows what's up with it lately.

EDIT: I tried again for the hell of it and it worked perfectly. Pfffffffftttt.

[g1nf1zz]

3ds can't use edit function post: also, time for a vote - WHO IS THE BIGGEST AND MOST LEGENDARY PoS UNIT OF ALL TIME?!

I vote Renault because... well. . .
...Renault. I mean seriously. terrible growths, bad stats, joins you in the second to last (third with the gaiden) chapter, and is forced to compete with Lucius and Serra for Bishop position, if you even use one. yeah.

oh and since if you want to complete the support library you need all of renault's, too that means you have to NOT give the units he's going to support A-rank supports until then... and then you have max. two chapters to get them. and using him in the gaiden is STUPID.

Renault's whole purpose, gameplay-wise, is "hey, free Fortify! Yoink."

[ArmsAreLoud]

...also I hate to be a dick and say this but uh... why does everybody find the Haunted Sgip chapter in SS so hard...? I beat it on the first try...
...then again the question is valni or no valni... lol...

Everything is easy if you use Valni; therefore you shouldn't take Valni into account.

I haven't used Valni since my... what, second playthrough of this game? And yeah. Phantom Ship is fucking hard. Especially if you don't train up the fliers.

[-Benedict]

I actually had an account on that site and used to play with FETO. Problem is, tried logging in recently out of curiosity to try and see what I had, but despite being able to log in, I can't get into FETO. So, who knows what's up with it lately.

EDIT: I tried again for the hell of it and it worked perfectly. Pfffffffftttt.

Yeah, FETO was boss. I actually made the pegasus mage overworld sprites for that game- I submitted the sprites for the promotes, too, but by that time the dude who ran the thing had completely abandoned it in favor of the insanity that is GPX+. I mean, jeez, that thing is designed to suck up more time and bandwidth than friggin' World of Warcraft. Hopefully when Awakening is released he'll feel more pressure to actually update FETO.
guess who is totes the best at halberdier lord have, it's this guy

[Mustavus]

The trick to doing the Ghost Ship without any trouble at all, is only fielding Duessel, having him rescue Ephraim, and then stop giving a damn.

Also, yeah. Completely forgot I made these things, but I don't think he ever used them, either.

Totally badass.

[Red709]

Everything is easy if you use Valni; therefore you shouldn't take Valni into account.

I haven't used Valni since my... what, second playthrough of this game? And yeah. Phantom Ship is fucking hard. Especially if you don't train up the fliers.

I didn't know how valni worked when I tried it the first time so I actually didn't use valni... lol

I trained up my fliers though because I ALWAYS train my fliers FALCOKNIGHT FTW