Homestrife Off-Topic Thread

[Rikushadow5]

im pretty sure if he were a playable character he'd need a little toning down. such is the fate of all SNK bosses.

Or instead of Toning him down, make him Difficult but Awesome.

[frozenMeatpopsicle]

@Arms: I did say it drains meter while you hold it, so I guess it could depend on how fast it drains. In general, it would be mostly balanced. There's be a wind up and a cooldown, so it it wouldn't be instant, Darlos. I really like the idea of the move, as with the Green Sun Meter, so it just really depends on how we handle it.


@Mask: We'll be doing the playable version by default. The boss version would just be a powered up version of that, ie. attack, defense and speed up, etc.

[Darlos9D]

I think what sua is poorly trying to articulate is that maybe he's more of a boss character only. But like fM said, we're going to go the guilty gear/blazblue route and make him a playable character FIRST and then make a powered up version from there as a boss.

[Iydak]

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[mynameissua]

i didnt came here seen month ago.. (but there's new conversations..) did u finished conversations about jack? O_O

[Iydak]

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[jman650]

Just something that I thought of for Sollux while being in the memo.

Perhaps for his meter thing, it would be bifuricated. A special that he uses would activate one side or another, and that side would be filled up by him attacking. The only way to reset the meter to switch to the other side would be to activate a super in order to drain it.

Now, for one side, let's say the blue side, the more you fill it the more damaging, smaller, and faster Sollux's psychic projectiles are. For 1 on 1 engagements, trying to kill someone via health loss instead of stage jumping.
The red side would cause your attacks to become larger but less damaging, adding more knockback and hitstun to them.

this is about all i thought out for it.

[ArmsAreLoud]

Sup guys just bumping this to post some ideas I had for Kanaya

So I took some inspiration from the other chainsaw wielding fighting game bad ass that I know: Frank West. For those unfamiliar with Marvel 3 his whole gimmick is a Level Up system; he starts off weak and gets progressively stronger as you build up points with his photo op special. The idea with Kanaya is that she builds meter with her command grab. The command grab can be combo'd into on standing characters but cannot be combo'd out of so you have to give up damage to use it. When she lands it she takes a bite of her hapless victim and builds 25% of her meter. When at Level One she only has a "Level Up" super available to her (call it Feeding Frenzy or whatever). This super spends 100% of her meter puts Kanaya on the next level (this super has zero invincibility frames so it must be performed safely). Every time she levels up her normals improve (at some point she'll start getting chip damage off of her chainsaw) and she gains access to new supers. Once she reaches her final level (I was thinking just to make it 3) she gains access to her Final Flip Out.

She'd need some methods to get in, of course. Kanaya doesn't use projectiles so perhaps she could have some super armor'd moves? Oh and levels would stay between stocks.

[Darlos9D]

I dunno. The level-up thing doesn't really say "Kanaya" to me. The fact that Frank West sometimes uses a chainsaw doesn't really make him a "chainsaw fighter" or anything we should necessarily draw inspiration from for Kanaya, beyond perhaps just a move or two. I think we're going to have to come up with something more unique for her.

That said, the idea of her meter being filled by drinking blood is pretty good. I mean, I kinda figured she'd have some kind of Rainbow meter that dealt with blood. Though perhaps grabbing somebody and biting them isn't necessarily the only way to do it (though it'd probably be the most effective). Perhaps the chainsaw should draw blood when she hits with it, and then she can lick the blood off of it and/or herself for a smaller meter boost. You can hold the button down to have her spend more time licking, if she's covered by a whole lot of blood.

Regarding the chainsaw itself: while I imagine she'll swing it around a bit, let's keep in mind that the primary function of a chainsaw is to just hold it against something while the teeth spin. So I imagine for her chansaw-based attacks, you can hold the attack button to have her hold it out and spin it for a while. It does a bunch of small hits that gradually push the opponent back, and probably makes them spew a bunch of blood in the process.

Still, she kinda needs an overall offensive theme still. She's obviously going to be some kind of melee fighter, possibly somewhere between Karkat and Equius in power and speed.

[AndIMustMask]

Regarding the chainsaw itself: while I imagine she'll swing it around a bit, let's keep in mind that the primary function of a chainsaw is to just hold it against something while the teeth spin. So I imagine for her chansaw-based attacks, you can hold the attack button to have her hold it out and spin it for a while. It does a bunch of small hits that gradually push the opponent back, and probably makes them spew a bunch of blood in the process.

Still, she kinda needs an overall offensive theme still. She's obviously going to be some kind of melee fighter, possibly somewhere between Karkat and Equius in power and speed.

from the (little) experience ive had with our chainsaw and trimmer, it seems more about making slow, smooth swings and letting the teeth do the work, not just holding against it--except for thick stuff like trunks, given what we uses is one of those mini-one-handed-dealies most of the time, this is slightly skewed.

[ArmsAreLoud]

Hmm... For Tavros, what if we put him in his rocket chair and gave him MODOK styled mobility? Just a thought.

[AndIMustMask]

personally i want nothing to do with the chair/rocketchair/legs debates--i just want him to be a unique and playable character, even if he ends up as the lethal joke kind

[ArmsAreLoud]

Regardless of his mobility I think that making him a summons character like Jill or Doronjo is a must. The guy is shit in a fight, his unique combat strength is getting animals to do the work for him.

[Darlos9D]

Yeah, quite frankly my brain has said "rocket chair and summoning" for Tavros for ages. Rocket chair for uniqueness and summoning because how the hell else is he going to fight. Anyone who thinks he's some competent melee fighter is delusional.

"I imagined Kanaya fought opposite to her demeanor -- like a crazy screaming berserker."

Now this is neat. Honestly this is kinda how we've seen her in the comic. Somebody who knows more about Hysterical Dame than me will have to draw some moves from her.

[frozenMeatpopsicle]

Didn't the commentary that went with Rex Duodecem Angelus describe her as "elegant but brutal" or something along those lines?

[ArmsAreLoud]

The few times we've actually seen Kanaya rev up her chainsaw she's started up some primal roar to get herself in the mood.

Yeah, she's crazy.

[AndIMustMask]

except for when she cut open her lusus.

[Rikushadow5]

Way I figure it, it's probably best to make Gamzee the character that has everyone else's moves and chains them as his own, considering his Jokerkind Specibus.

[AndIMustMask]

mite b cool, i still wanna see a good amount of club attacks though

also john down-grab: CHAOS DUNK

[AndIMustMask]

recompiled all the suggestions and deleted old post, you'll wanna reread all of them, since we got a bunch more suggestions for characters that have already been visited.


(ARADIA)

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Maybe have time clone Aradias appear and shoot lasers or beat down on the opponent.
Or she can freeze them?

roboaradia's rush should be one of the fraymotifs, the FFO should be psychic beatdown into the air and then clone rush again

The level Three super is clearly calling in reinforcements, a psychic hold that leaves them floating and vulnerable sounds good for lv 2,
as for the other lv2...holding them one handed and pounding them against the ground with her big, strong robot arms

maybe one of the fraymotifs could be roboaradia exploding and then being replaced for another time clone

Timeclone gangbang.

akuma finisher

METER STUFF

how about something to do with the number of clones destroyed or something like that?

How about she has to 'wind up' her music boxes? kind of like Order Sol from Guilty Gear

(ERIDAN)

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What if he shoots spades, diamonds, clubs amd hearts at people?

What if, he shoots up in to the sky and a random lusus falls down and hits the opponent? He seems kinda tricky with his limited set and not much to work with. The damage rom the lusus varies depending on the size bigger ones like the whale do more damage obviously but dont show up to often. Other ones could be like birds, tinkerbulls and other various stuff.

the FFO could be after filling a SCIENCE meter trough some movement and zapping the wand

Naturally, he should have a maximum ovverhope, and maybe a wand volley super like Dante's Trigger Happy in MvC

Are beam struggles in this game? Or are they too much of a bitch to program

Can you make Eridan's taunt him striking a dramatic pose while visibly shaking his cape with his hand? Or even a thing his does after his LV 3 super. I read it in a fanfiction and it's just such a perfect thing for him

Or a move where an angel flies into the screen and he shoots it, then dives off screen as a swarm of them flies in and attacks the other fighter.

How about an Inappropriate Advance move that stuns the opponent for a few? (my erply:seems cool. maybe he winks a spade at them? wait no vriska has that (as an animation fluff for her mindpower stun, iirc).)

(TAVROS)

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Wheelchair. Lots of dashes, ramming attacks, etc etc.

Make his meter have something to do with momentum: the farther an attack travels before connecting, the more meter he gains.

Special can be a FUCKHUEG lance that breaks guard and hits multiple times on impact.

I say wheelchair, supers would be fiduspawn rush, changing the wheelchair to horsaroni and charging with the spear, and FFO would be pupa pan related,

Im all for Wheelchair Tav. It would add some variety to the roster. He could do some crazy shit lie Bentley from that Sly 3. Spins and wheelies and shit.

the meters should be something about fiduspawn, tavros should all about fiduspawn and charging

I think that the wheelchair would be more faithful to the comic, where he only got robolegs after he didn't really need them.

Also one of the attacks could be a lance charge with high priority and speed but no way to change direction after you start it. Like C Falcon's B-down kick from SSBM.


I vote for robo legs,
supers would be animal stampede, some sort of super rufio charge, and maybe a seven second horsaroni assist or something

for super mechanics, considering he's a page, and how fiduspawn works, he has like an 'incubation' meter for his animal summons, or else a 'confidence' meter that goes up as he lands hits and drops as he gets hit, but can hold an extra bar compared to other characters

(THOLLUKTH)

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physically...attacks? Sollux specifically never allocated his strife modus because he'd rather just blow things up with his mind.

Anyhow, one of Sollux's supers should be a mind honey powerup

You have to include sollux's shurikens man, and a super with beeeeeees

Sollux is much easier to work with. Im sure you have already gotten told about his shuriken strife specibus. Take a lok at how cyclops plays in the vs series. optic blasts in different directions. Mind honey too! Maybe for a special you can have him send in a big ass meteor that he redirected like in the fight against BK.

(KANAYA)

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throwing the f1 key as a taunt projectile

Are you going to have her chainsaw do a bunch of rapid hits or one strong one? I could see her doing spins and flips gracefully as she sings that thing around. Like a fucking ballerina dancer or some shit.
Also, F1 BONK

Maybe allow her to 'mark' her enemies with lipstick, which makes the next chainsaw attack deal more damage

It would be a good idea to go back to PS and see how Hysterical Dame fights. She did a lot of crazy shit that could probably be applied to Kanaya.

I imagined Kanaya fought opposite to her demeanor -- like a crazy screaming berserker. Long wild sweeps, huge power blows, vicious overkills, unnecessarily brutal and almost clumsy, if she didn't hit every time. (think the lady from problem sleuth)

sounds cool, you could add some rainbow drinker as a super too man, maybe thats the change between brutality and elegance?

Both is definitely a good idea. I could totally see her skipping around and spinning gracefully as she closes in on her opponent and just as she is in range she swings that shit around like a fucking maniac as she lets out war cries with a menacing expression.

I bet Kanaya in a fighting game would be a character that's all charging
You know
Holding down a button to charge up the chainsaw
Holding down a button to charge up the superspeed
Holding down a button to charge up the Sylph revival meter
Holding down a button to charge up the Snarky Horseshitometer which just blows stuff up when it can't handle the horseshit anymore
Just a lot of passive holding buttons down

(NEPETA)

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Tackle pounce is a must for her. Im sure you already have a lot of basic shit down though such as rolls and movement. Supers might be kind of tricky.

What if she called Pounce to charge forward and maul her opponent?
OH OH
In the final fantasy series there is a boss that is essentially a big demon in a wall that closes in. What if she summons her shipping wall to smash forward into people all the while providing defense?

She could bring in Pounce for one of them, but that's probably been suggested.

Maybe she could conjure a phantasmal image of one of the people she ships the opponent with and distract them? Or i guess do damage if its a caliginous ship.

Okay okay, let me dredge up my fightan games knowledge here.

So do you mind guest characters coming in for the super? like equius coming in for an assit?

Also maybe something like a pouncetackle but instead of on the chest it lands on the back and drags the face through the ground

for the best super we have to do some kind of shipping wall,

how hard would it be to code an attack that switches between the 4 ships in a luck based thing
which ever ship you get shipped with on the wall would be the kind of attack she deals

hearts could be no damage, or it just heals nepeta, and spade s is the hardest hitting one

Maybe she could do kinda like a pounce and grab thing like jockeys from l4d2 or something?

She has probably been compared to ones like X-23, Taokaka and felicia. All similar in the sense that they are agile and cat like.

A meter for nepeta can be kind of tricky. Perhaps it can be something related to 3 because of >:33.
Or maybe something "feelings jam" related that changes depending on how she is feeling or simply the status of her health.
I dont know she doesn't have a lot to work with.

Maybe one of the level 1 supers can be something simple like a combo assault with a bunch of slashes. Lots of videogame fighters have moves like that that arent all that creative but get the point across.
Have Nepeta roll forward, slash the fuck out of her opponent like 15 times, impale them, rip her claws at and kick them away. Something simple like that.

How about a Meowrail Morale Boost? You know, like a temporary powerup, or maybe a slight heal or something.

(FEFERI)

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Dont forget to take into account that she is fucking strong. Feferi kind of reminds me of Kilik from Soul Calibur and Jade from Mortal Kombat, doing all kinds of crazy acrobats with her fork. Supers are tougher though. How about using Glyboglyb as an attack?

Perhaps a sort of Glibbyglubby summon special?
Like, she calls it and some tentacles show up in the foreground and background, and some startthrashing and undulating and shit
Accompanied by an unsettlingly calm eldricth tune

witch of life powers to grow/shrink her/opponent's HP bar.

METER
i can see it being an icon of her face that goes from grey to black, like:

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[gritting teeth]
3 [condesce's expression]

(GAMZEE--seems we were pretty spot-on with this one)

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sober meter, horrorstuck FFO, the other supers are miracle modus shenanigans

A pie throwing projectile. Various club juggling strikes and combos. Modus shenanigans for sure. Perhaps you could include his unicycle and horns as well.
ooooh dont forget the jokerkind specibus!

(EQUIUS)

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>Equius Homestrife discussion
A level 1 super must involve a failed attempt at archery. It simply has to.

I like that. What if he just picks up the arrow and chucks it forward? That would fucking hurt. Or maybe the bow snaps and splinters and anyone in the vicinity gets hit with sharp pieces of wood.
Splinters fucking hurt.

He said to Dave he sometimes resorted to just beating his enemies with broken bits of bow

So, small explosion with knockback, followed by a quick club like beating with the bow halves.
D--> what an e%eptional so100%ion

Equius is pretty easy. It seems like he will be the "hard hitter, slow mobility" type.
I could see him as being very adept and skilled in certain arts. Punch combos, lariats, suplexes and all that fancy shit.

I cant stress the suplexes enough. This world needs more of that shit.

METER

The more attacks and combos he lays out increases his meter. Perhaps even just moving at all will increase it but at a much slower rate than the other meters to compensate for how easy it is to raise his bar.

the current ideas were a 'sweat meter' that increased the more he exerted himself, but i could see a meter that increased as he took damage very easily for him. (this one was me though)

What's there for Equius? I do hope it's more than just punching things...

I think Equius should have elements of She-Hulk from MvC3. I can imagine him doing dropkicks and suplexes and all kinds of neat wrestling moves.

Okay seriously though what if as the result of a strongjump, you deal damage to the opponent if you land on them, maybe? (i actually approve of this, provided you actually land ON them, not just near.)

Like a ground pound move! Maybe he can chuck robots at the enemy or punch them forward like a projectile.
Also, he should probably have a few grapples and throws too.
>Okay seriously though what if as the result of a strongjump, you deal damage to the opponent if you land on them, maybe?
Or perhaps there could be a shockwave that does less damage with distance.
Or that! Maybe it could also stagger them, knocking them down and leaving them open to attack for a few seconds? To avoid the shockwave you'd have to jump at exactly the right time.
>Equius mirror matches quickly devolve into a game of jump rope
>High tension, sweaty, meaty jump rope

Maybe Equius can punch the ground and send rocks and debris flying forward? Or that could work as a shockwave attack as well.

But there's so much you could incorporate... Like him punching robots at people, snapping bows to grapple people with it and the burst could be from a glass of milk.
He'd be above average in strength, but have a sweat-meter that gets filled with every attack (making him hit for less or maybe harder to control or somebiz) so you have to taunt with a towel so it depletes a little.
>If Equius' sweat meter maxes out he starts slip sliding all over the stage
>uses void powers to create absolute zero friction
>one man felt stoppable

(DAVE)

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Suitarangs.

Could you give him the suitarangs?
Even if they were never used in the comic, they're still really cool.
And you should definitely have an attack be tangling someone in his cape and then suplexing them. (i pointed out after this that this is pre-GT dave)

Make him take out the suitarangs in a dramatic flourish, then attack with his sword instead.

Well one of his supers would likely be him 'rewinding' caledscratch to completeness, probably in the mechanics of a speed and damage buff.

Maybe give him a move involving unreal air that gives him an air juggle advantage

I mean pretty much everything seen in Dave: Ascend is ripe for the plucking.

His meter would probably work best by rewarding combo length over actual damage, and be either shorter than most or have more of his moves drain it, so he has to maintain a good hit rhythm or he'll run out of steam
Combos maintain a "Flow" for the illest beatdowns and mad air time.
Keep the flow going for better damage.

Ooh! I got it. He stabs his sword into the ground, and does an acrobatic pirouette of the handle into a wrestlemania elbow drop.

Instead of a normal super meter, give him a discrete set of "time drops" or "time ticks" that slowly refill (number can be tweaked, probably somwhere between 4 and 10) that power any of his temporal shenanigans. One tick gets used whenever he has to time travel to do a thing. Not really needed for smaller things, like time slows/stops. Probably means those would all be level 1 super type things.

If you want to have a "recall" or "oh shit" button, maybe we could implement a reflex based "save" when he would die, calling either a stable-time-loop-self, or even *gasp* a beta-self to save himself. Probably should also consume at least one "tick" to do so, probably two or three since it's so big to avoid death. To compensate,make him a glass canon, not near as much HP as a fighter like him should have.

Perhaps.
Maybe he can have a flying kick, and then he bounces off the person and does an acrobatic pirouette?
Like with Bro's sword?

Hmmm... Also with the 'apple juice' you could give him Jarate?
If the attack misses, instead of just the jar breaking, Dave can "grab it" and a random item fires out from him sylladex due to bad hashtags and smacks the oponent.

Bonus damage for suitarang storm caused this way.

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Needless to say, Level 3 supers for any character that has got tiger should involve them flipping to their God Tier p'jammies and wrecking shit.
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Level 2 super could eat a couple "ticks" and create one or more time clones who follows after you, shadowing your moves Ice Climber style (from Smash Bros Melee) for a limited time. After all, Dave's got Time on his side. (i give this a gold star)

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Could make this into a separate "Flow" meter, actually. Swiftly filling with combos, but swiftly draining as well. Continuing to combo keeps it filled, rewarding a fast and flowing playstyle.
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This could actually still work in conjunction with this. A fast changing continuous "Flow" meter AND a slow filling, discrete "Tick" or "(Time) Jump" meter. Would make for some interesting play.

So... Overall Dave archetype?:
1. Fragile Speedster
2. Combo-tastic (flow meter)
3. Bag of Time tricks (tick meter)

Another time trick idea: Bullet time for Dave. Rather than make him go super fast, make the other player(s?) be slowed down by some amount. I think there was a similar mechanic with one of the items in Smash Bros Brawl. Could be a level 1 or 2 super, depending on how long you want it to last, and how much you want it to slow down the opponent. Not sure if this can be done with your programming constraints, but it would be sweet.

Oh, don't forget that you can flavor a lot of his normal moves with time stuff just for fun. One obvious thing that comes to mind would be the time-stop aura (a la Fear No Anvil) on enemies as the start of any grapple sequence.

(JADE)

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tangle buddies
a veritable avalanche of tied up tentacles
squiddles
fucking
everywhere

Now this is the one I was looking forward to! I even pretyped this shit out on the off chance you rolled her, what luck! She has a lot of shit that you can work with.

*Main rifle that can be aimed in different directions. Is it a charge shot? That's up to you.
*Other guns that she made during her alchemy like the Midnight Crew machine gun and the Felt gun that fires mini green suns.
*If she ends up in close combat she can start whacking shit with the butt of her rifle.
*Iron motherfucking Lass.

One of her specials can be one super powered shot that works like that one hyper that Hawkeye does in UMvC3. BAM!
Also, a Becsprite assist super where he rushes in and fires his first guardian powered kamehameha.

Maybe something where she lobs the Ahab's crosshairs?
And maybe also a Granpa Harley assist of some kind
(oh good lord, i can see it now
she activates the super, and nothing happens
a blunderbuss barrel peeks out of the corner of the screen.
BOOM)

How about having Becsprite teleport her around to a randomly determined location?

Speaking of Space, is there any way to at least work in a short range teleport for her? A la Mewtwo in Smash Bros?
Portals are probably out of the question. Much to hard to implement/balance.
I second Squiddles, pref. to be used as the tangle-buddy grapple.

I like the idea of Jade beating shit up with her rifle. Maybe she can use her bass guitar and flute too.
YES
Her melees in general definitely need to be rife with rifle fu. Some staff derived moves would probably work well. Don't forget that you can also reference real melee rifle techniques from the military.

To actually add something, dont' forget Jade's harpoon rifle! Could be used for long range grapple, or possibly as part of a super animation. If the air game is important, it could possibly be used to bat-hook around the stage, though I'm not sure how well that would implement.

Low into Bass Guitar Bounce to Squiddle Slammer into Bec Block and finish with Blunderbuss Blast.

We EVO now.

Is Proton Canon a regular special or a super? I dont care im just happy if it is included.
WHAT IF IT WAS AJOINY ATTACK WITH TONY STARK BY HER SIDE USING IT HIMSELF?

DOUBLE PROTON CANOOOON

dreambot suicide bomber (i pointed out that this was basically aradias shtick)
maybe instead of suicide bombing the opponent, you could switch out to the dreambot (which is weakened or has lower health for the sake of not being quite so cheap) while jade goes to sleep and regains health for a short time?
The dreambot could be the same but wouldn't have access to some of her moves.

Bec could also work as a type of counter. Input the command or whatever and if you time it right as the opponent hits you bec unleashes a quick blast of energy.
Jade has a lot of good stuff.

Bass Guitar would make for pretty annoying projectile counters or corner fuckery.
I love corner fuckery.

When Vriska is in play, Jade gets a Sleep Meter, which- when full- will automatically cause Vriska to put her to sleep.
All the time.
Every time.
Even if she's actually teamed up with Jade.

TRIPLE POST COMBO
As for meter ideas maybe hers can gradually fill up at a faster rate if she doesnt take any damage for a certain amount of time. I just kind of formed that while thinking of her "narcolepsy" moments and how it relates to pauses.

ATOMIC FISSION REACTOR
I think one that steadily builds up over time works best for her, making you rely on her technical play until you can bring out the big guns

Interesting way to let her guns be powerful, but not unlimited just by being non-supers.
She can have an ammo bar.
Gets refilled by using non-shooting moves.
shootemup => beatemup => shootemup => beatemup...
Or why wouldn't it just be filled by having her reload.
Just make the reload time just long enough for her to vulnerable for a short time. Maybe 1-2 seconds.
I suggested the beatemup-to-reload mostly to avoid having these awkward gaps in the flow of battle. Assuming that her melee stuff is fairly short range, balancing her ammo meter for ranged and when to get up close would make a more interesting style then "shit I need to get them off me so i can reload".
To that end, I think Jade's melee hits should probably not be super damaging, but have a decent amount of knockback/hit-stun to help control the area around her instead. Melee is primarily for area control then, not killing.

A meter for Jade should run on frustration or annoyance.
She's quite easy to get pissy and halt the bullshit/ Even before she lost her memory bands.
Working on something like if the match lasts too long or if she's stuck blocking too much instead of countering or bec returns her specials take a hit but normal moves up?
I suck at fighters but Jade getting bitchy has to be a must.

SOMETHING TO CHECK THE VALIDITY OF:
weight classes

Rose Lalonde (Light)
Kanaya
Sollux
Eridan
Jane Crocker
Roxy Lalonde
Terezi
Vriska
Dave Strider
John Egbert (Balanced)
Dirk Strider
Feferi
Nepeta
Jake English
Karkat
Jade Harley
Gamzee
Aradia
Tavros
Equius (Heavy)

[frozenMeatpopsicle]

Hmm, weight classes are something that will need to be discussed eventually.

For starters I'd take out the B2 kids/teens and add Jack. John in the absolute middle is definitely right. I'd say that either Equius or Aradia(Robo) as heaviest. I disagree with Rose being lightest. I'd be inclined to have Nepeta as one of, if not THE lightest. This is actually a really hard list to put together in my opinion. Especially since John has to be in the middle. Here's my thoughts in no particular order:

John - Balanced right in the middle.
Rose - On the light side, but not sure how light. Definitely not lightest.
Dave - Either slightly heavier or slightly lighter than John.
Jade - I feel should be lighter than John.
Aradia(Robo) - At least equal with Equius. Metal is heavy after all.
Tavros - Heavy I guess? His horns plus either the wheel/rocket chair or robo legs should, in theory, put him on the heavy side.
Sollux - I guess assuming he's on the skinny side, he'd be light?
Karkat - I feel should probably be on the light side, but who knows. Maybe a bit heavier than John?
Nepeta - Lightest. Just seems appropriate to me.
Kanaya - Same weight, if not slightly heavier than Rose.
Terezi - Definitely on the light side. Probably equal, if not a little lighter than Vriska.
Vriska - See Terezi.
Equius - Heaviest. All that muscle and STRONGNESS has to weigh him down.
Gamzee - Everyone sees him being the tallest, so I guess put him on the heavy end of the scale.
Eridan - Could go either way. I see him on the weak scrawny side, but others see him as a more tall, regal type. Plus aquatic trolls could, in theory, be heavier for reasons I can be bothered properly researching.
Feferi - Could go either way. Small sprite says chunky, hero mode images suggest one of the skinniest. Then there's all that hair, and potential aquatic troll biology stuff in play.
Jack - Big wolf beast so in theory should be heavy. But is a carapace, so would that be lighter or heavier than a human/troll?

So:
Nepeta(Lightest)
Rose, Kanaya, Jade, Sollux, Terezi, Vriska(Lighter than John)
John(Middle)
Tavros, Gamzee, Jack, Feferi, Karkat(Heavier than John)
Equius/Aradia(Heaviest)
Dave, Eridan(Undecided, but one in each weight class)

Note 3 things:
1. I'm assuming trolls are naturally heavier than a human equivalent for some reason.
2. I'm either making up headcanon or going with popular fanon with body types here.
3. Not counting weapons here, JUST body types.

A joke would be having Feferi(or Vriska) the heaviest, but that's as far as that goes.

[trulyElse]

It would be their inertia / physical resistance that would be important, so I imagine Bec functions as very heavy - enough power to keep a steadying pressure effect.

I'm thinking in this order (Heavy to Light):

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Jack
Equius
Aradia
Tavros
Gamzee
Karkat
Terezi - She seems to have quite the push to me.
Dave -
John
Kanaya
Rose
Eridan - He doesn't seem to have much mangrit, so I figure he's pretty light.
Jade
Sollux
Vriska
Feferi
Nepeta

[Frost]

The kids are pretty much shop mannequins with faces Sharpied onto them, physically speaking. Which is to say, they're all drawn almost perfectly identical, presumably because Hussie doesn't care too much about the physique of thirteen-year-olds. Physical combat is very rare (especially outside of Sprite Mode), and when it does happen, it tends to be either very abstract or drawn by a dozen different artists.

So you need to pick something else to base weight classes on.

• Headcanon. I wouldn't recommend this. There's so little consensus that you're basically pulling weight classes out of a hat.
• Pure logic, how things "should" be (eg, metal is heavy). Probably a bit too literal, especially when you have to take into account telekenisis and future tech.
• Gameplay. Pick a fighting style (like, I don't know, focusing on Dave's flash stepping, having him be a light but frequent damage dealer with excellent recovery), and then choose the weight class which best matches and balances that style. This option is the least likely to produce combinations which "feel wrong" intuitively.
• Graphics. Make the first couple of animations based on what looks good and matches the character's fighting style, then match those animations up with a weight class. This will make the sprites seem more "real", but it could cause the physics to seem sort of awkward.

[Darlos9D]

Especially since John has to be in the middle.

Does he? We've previous discussed how we should just make John as John-like as possible, NOT as "main FG character"-like as possible. I wouldn't say he absolutely must be smack in the middle of weight. His hammer has to count for something. I'd actually make him a bit heavier on average.

I'd vote on Aradia as heaviest, probably followed by Equius. Keep in mind that Aradia can fly though, so that alleviates her weight when she's actually in control of herself. It's just when she actually gets hit and starts getting knocked around by opponents (and, hence, isn't in control of herself) that her weight comes 100% into play.

And really I think that's the only time when "weight" comes into play for all characters anyway: when they're getting hit, not when they're outside of hitstun. When they're outside of hitstun, their various velocities are pretty much "hard coded." So like, their vertical jump velocity is one single defined value. It's not like they have a "jump strength" and then we do calculations involving mass to get the actual velocity or anything. That would be a pointless amount of work.

As for falling speed, there is going to be a universal downward acceleration (basically, gravity) as well as a universal max falling speed, but I'm going to include the options for individual holds and actions that include wind resistance and custom max speeds. That way characters can float and stuff (like holding Rachel's jC in BlazBlue)

[PumpkinAppearifier]

Just a quick idea for dave I thought of:

Perhaps he could have a dash like attack that, after finishing, allows you to indicate any (number) of directions and have (number) stabe time clones attack consecutively? Maybe even make the attack continuous until a (largish number) have attacked or the most recent dave gets hit, breaking the combo?

Sems like a fun kind of combo you could make abusing time powers like Dave does.

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Also, I agree that maybe John should be a but heavier than average. To be honest, Im thinking that maybe Karkat and Kanaya should be the ones in the middle, Karkat being a bit heavier than Kanaya.

Sollux should be lighetst followed closely by Nepeta in my opinion, While Heaviest should probably be Equius so that Aradia isn't put at TOO much of an advantage with her weight.