Grand Fishknights of Oceania (GAME OVER- Scum and Survival Third Parties WIN)

[A Killer Cuppa Tea]

(psst, i never moved my vote from PP!)

Also, hot damn, that Doofaeus wagon as a Thing.

[El Ninja Monkey]

UNVOTE



VOTE PP

[seastormjt]

You can say Sinjin feels like town all you want. He still doesn't look like town to me. Scummy actions are scummy actions, and he can't be excused for always being scummy. He does not feel like town.

Rereading through the thread, this popped out at me.

MV, where did Dini say Sinjin felt like town?
(Also, Unvote now, will probably be back with something on MV).

[Mirdini]

seastorm: a lot of places

he's unhelpful bad town but he's town.

anyway Potato's at softlynch-1 and we've still got over 24 hours so I'm not too worried about not getting the lynch I'm for today. Can't really get worked up about this game right now both because XENOBLADE CHRONICLES IS THE BEST GAME EVER and other mafias/games are distracting me.

[seastormjt]

seastorm: a lot of places

I want him to answer that :T But I mean specifically in the quote he quoted in... The one I just did...

Depending on his answer, I might really want him lynched.

[Laset]

erm, seastorm, what. I really can't see what you're trying to indicate.

[seastormjt]

...Well, I'm rereading, and I don't like his posts still, and that just popped out at me.

On top of the Mega thing, I kind of want to lynch him regardless, but I also want to hear him speak first.
(I find it funny that when I start trying more, people start wanting to lynch me)

[Sinjin]

Sorry sea but it just seems like you want a lynch pinned on Visceral now.

vote: sea

[Eidolonic]

Pretty happy with the Doofaeus slot, I think. I liked the readwall, and agree with the vast majority of it.

Tea saying something similar makes me like Tea a tiny bit more as well? Not much, though, since I was unhappyish with the day one Acio things, and he has a pit of Meh! to climb out of.

Sotek/Dini are still um. Townish, but make me wary. I think I like Dini sliiightly more than Sotek this game, but that might be a function of Dini being Dini. I'll probably need to get burned by scum!Dini before I start finding him suspicious. So take my reads on those two with a grain of salt.

Still happy with a Potato Panic lynch, though I'd feel a lot happier if she was in here providing copious amounts of defense. Lynching someone who isn't around leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I don't... like Sinjin? But it might be how he plays the role vs. the role itself. Which annoys me, because I always want to make those people dead, dead, dead, even if it's -EV town. The serial lurkers who are intentionally unhelpful are the worst thing ever. And that's not really related to this game, I'm just slightly hung over and grumbling about things. I'll tentatively mark Sinjin down as town, but am watching the MV/Dini/Seastorm things to solidify my read there.

MV I've been wavering on. I got vibes early on that are similar to try!hard town? I actually liked the concept of his people pages, or whatever, I've done similar things in past games, but they're a bitch to maintain. But at the same time, the slot he replaced into was pretty bleh, and he's... not done much to improve it? Having trouble articulating what I'm envisioning, but it's sort of a box step type thing. He takes a step forwards, a step sideways, a step back, and another step sideways to arrive at the same slightly scummy place he was, rather than actually moving closer to town in my mind. A lot of effort for no gain.

I like Schazer and Haemat. High effort, +town replacements. What I should be doing, but haven't been, for a variety of inexcusable reasons.

Namboto is bleh. I believe him with regards to the role claim, but then he opens his mouth and all I hear is I'M SCUM. And it's coloring the opinions I have on everyone that interacts with him, because of cognitive dissonance.

I've managed to say an awful lot while actually saying very little with this post, and I'm aware. Just kind of feeling 'bleh' in regards to this game in general. I'll do better.

TL;DRish
I want Potato Panic and ATH dead, and I don't really like MV.

I do like Dini, Schazer, Doofaeus, Sotek, and Haemat, roughly in that order.

[Mirdini]

Sorry sea but it just seems like you want a lynch pinned on Visceral now.

vote: sea

okay

I rescind my REASONS for not wanting seastorm lynched

still want potato lynched more but zzz

I don't like Sinjin either Eido but he's playing the sort of game scum would never ever play because we'll eventually certainly vig/lynch him for being this obnoxious.

[Potato Panic]

TL;DRish
I want Potato Panic and ATH dead, and I don't really like MV.

Hey Eido, you've said you want ~ATH dead twice now but still haven't explained either time?
Also I'd 'ppreciate it if we could discuss who to lynch as much as possible today because I have no idea if I'll be back in time before deadline tomorrow : U
I'll be back in a few hours to post actual things, but I have an essay to finish first.

[Mister Visceral]

I want him to answer that :T But I mean specifically in the quote he quoted in... The one I just did...

Depending on his answer, I might really want him lynched.

He said it in my mafia QT whoops was that the answer that would get me lynched

Seastorm, you're being weird and I'm starting to not like you in an OMGUSsy pushing-the-easy-lynch-too-hard kind of way. You're actually the first person that I haven't had to self-impose an opinion on. I hope you feel special.

And with confidence, I vote seastorm

[seastormjt]

No, to be honest, I didn't...
............................................

Fine, I'll chase you down in earnest, disregarding that entirely, because, fine.

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Why I did not like Mega: I'll try to hit every post, because you haven't had much content.
#92 and #96 were fluff and RVS
#103 was that he's "not reacting to pressure", trying too hard,
#110, #121, #164 also fall under the category of the feeling that he was trying too hard. #121, more specifically, he stabs at a lot of people being scummy, and the biggest thing to me is that he doesn't follow up on his questions for X, and that post itself looks like he's reading scum on him (and you generally chase people down for answers if you think they're scum), though he changes that to a townread in his wall.
#131 he says "Unvote for now, abstaining until I can determine who would be the best vote at the moment.", which kind of really ticks me off because he only changes that at his wall when the only thing that Sinjin did after 'being blatantly scummy' was 'providing a weak excuse for it.' He ends up not pushing anything too hard.

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Why I do not like you:
In #411, you start out the day chasing after Sotek with a weird case. I'm fine with that, I mean, the case is off, but fine, you don't agree with me =/= you're scum. What ticks me off happens later, when you say there's nothing to go on, and vote Doof.
#452 I'll try not to comment on too much, except that you wagonned on and off her, as well as voting her when the case itself seemed to be agreeing/being happy with her.
Later, you say "I don't like Sinjin. The only thing is that yes, there is that easywagon on him. That's not always a bad thing though so nulltell. Didn't even need to say any of this.", until you're 'suddenly okay' with a lynch on Sinjin; my main problem with this is, again, you're trying too hard/trying to seem town too much.
#572, you're having trouble finding someone to lynch, when you've been going and pushing a Sotek lynch this entire time.#606 also adds to that, "Alright there's not really any information there is there? Well, vibes have been bad, and as I said earlier Doof as of late has seemed to be speculating on the game more than he's been playing it." when you built (or attempted to build, really), an entire case on Sotek? Neither of them had any votes, so you really can't escape that way. You literally have a single post on Doof, and a whole lot of other stuff on Sotek. Great that your read changed (in theory), now may we have evidence of what changed your mind? Also, you had pointed out that Namboto might have been 3P, and I'm sorry if you came off like you wanted him lynched, at least over someone where your entire case was a weird line and a wagon hop.
Oh yes, and thanks for disappearing off for three days, that was great. In other words, though, it would have been great if you had answered Sotek's questions, because I would like your reads, please. It's kind of ticking me off that you have nothing on anyone.

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Also, what I was really going for with the most recent fiasco: In the post you quoted in #540, Dini said that Sinjin and I felt coaligned, which generally give people the feeling that they're scum. Looking back, I totally missed that you were really quoting a different part of the post, but it still really ticked me off. Oh, and the lovely response you gave? How hard would it have been to say "I have no idea what you're talking about" or maybe "He said it right there in the post"?

Basically, you're trying too hard, you are giving no opinions on anyone, and your main vote was a vote because of a single line and a wagon hop, when you had a lot more evidence for other people, or at least wanted their lynch a lot more.

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I am *very* sorry if this is biting, it's very late, and it's easier to write posts if you don't sugar-coat them.

[seastormjt]

Frig, Vote: MV

[feralFantom]

So tea mentions Doofaeus wagon and all of sudden it loses two people...

Maybe storm and MV are uberbussing scumbuddies?

[Sinjin]

Seastorm, you're being weird and I'm starting to not like you in an OMGUSsy pushing-the-easy-lynch-too-hard kind of way. You're actually the first person that I haven't had to self-impose an opinion on. I hope you feel special.

Holy parroting batman. Okay forget seastorm Visceral is back to my top priority list.
Unvote: Sea
Vote: Visceral

And now I wait for those who claim I'm a tad jumpy. (Which I am at this point to be honest.)

[Mister Visceral]

So tea mentions Doofaeus wagon and all of sudden it loses two people...

Maybe storm and MV are uberbussing scumbuddies?

Why would that even come into your mind. e_e
You're just throwing around accusations without any regard or support. You're now the second person that I actually think is scum without having to convince myself of it.

Sinjin - what parrotting. You said that she was trying to pin an easy lynch on me. I said that she was trying too hard to push the easy lynch. Those aren't the same thing. asdh, hgfiahd ahsifhf - hadoifhdf haiiodishsdf?

Aaaaand seastorm. A lot of Mega's mistakes can honestly be written down as newbtown. He probably just got too distracted by something else and forgot to chase down someone. Either way, a newbscum would probably try to chase that person down as much as possible.

As for myself, when did I ever try to build a case on Sotek for more than like, three posts?

[feralFantom]

I based it on the fact that you both leaped of that doofaeus wagon as soon as it was mentioned then started attacking each other

Also interesting that appparently your best two scum reads right now came right after those people voiced suspicions of you

[seastormjt]

Aaaaand seastorm. A lot of Mega's mistakes can honestly be written down as newbtown. He probably just got too distracted by something else and forgot to chase down someone. Either way, a newbscum would probably try to chase that person down as much as possible.

As for myself, when did I ever try to build a case on Sotek for more than like, three posts?

They can honestly be written down as newbtown, but when a lot of things pile up, I'm much more likely to believe newbscum. Plus, he did chase someone down -- Sinjin (that was part of my point about #131... Or should have been, depending on if I listed every piece of my case).

My point on your case on Sotek is more the fact that you had built a case on him: You had a much better case on him than you did on Doof, and another problem I have with you is that you have no opinions, since you didn't say anything about him afterwards, which led me to assume your opinions had stayed the same.
Could you please post something so I can see where you stand? It's really kind of ticking me off that you apparently don't think anything of anything that happened, which is kind of ridiculous (and also a reason I'm voting you).

Why I'm bringing this up now: Yeah, this is late in the day, but the week was pretty bad for me, and I'm getting all my deadlines screwed up. I don't see why everyone's voting Potato; it looks like a pressure wagon that's ridden out to an actual lynch. The one thing that is suspicious is her pressure vote, but she did say that she wanted him to talk more. I don't think there's actually been something for her to defend against/I want more reasons for this lynch before I'm happy with it.

[A Killer Cuppa Tea]

Liking fF better, because he spoke my thoughts as his own. virtually everyone else is giving me a headache cos you cant all be scum, but god damn.

it looks like a pressure wagon that's ridden out to an actual lynch.

Cant speak for anyone else on the wagon, but her Day1 shenanigans led me to want her head. When we pressure people, its rarely "i want to see your reaction" (unless you're sotek; i've noticed sotek does it a lot, but you can never tell with him), its usually more "your reaction better be good, else your head's on a pike" (even sotek usually does the latter - which, actually, is what makes the former so much more potent). For me, with PP, it was the latter. That said, i've got a good few other people i would be perfectly happy with lynching too! PP just happens to be my current favourite; the rest of you'd better spend the night doing something productive, or preparing your defences for tomorrow, cos this day has been fruitful and ye shall reap what ye have sown tomorrow!

[Mirdini]

virtually everyone else is giving me a headache cos you cant all be scum, but god damn.

^ yep

re: PP lynch - still happy with it, biggest thing is if she isn't scum (and you, seastorm, aren't either) that'd make a sum total of ZERO scum on the Jacq lynch (IF we assume the Slayer0/Schazer slot isn't scum but hey she was playing pretty townishly, Acio/Sotek I'm nigh certain aren't mafia). Which seems unlikely to say the least.

[Laset]

Sometimes I make a pressure wagon and then decide that I want it to roll all the way into the station. This is pretty much one of those times?

[haemat]

whoa what happened

sorry for not being here earlier, I was way more occupied these past few days that I'd planned to be!

first off,

Sanity cops are a bitch.

Which makes me feel relatively useless. :/

this. was a thing. a thing that frankly i'm quite irritated was revealed, but the fact of the matter is i'm a naive cop pretty much useless as a role so i'm about as functional as a nilla townie. hmph. no fair.

second: since I didn't get as much time as I needed to, I'd like to at least give reads on those I didn't last time I posted

seastorm: eeerrrhghghhhh really bad feels day1 regarding the whole metadefense deal but picking up a little day2. not really town at this point but not a huge scumtarget either. not the entirety of d1 was bad though (i liked the answers to the questions GX gave, at least.) the rest was a lot of repeating and fluff. the reason for wanting to lynch megarock was repeated 3 times, technically, most of the others were just uninformative and frankly uneeded! also sea i'd like to know why you suddenly switched off of ~ATH with no warning when Megarock and ~ATH were your strongest scumreads D1????

Tea: imo read pretty suspiciously with the whole Acio thing but i honestly think that alone is not enough to want to lynch him and those who want(ed) him dead from that alone well into D2 ring bells for me. but, in a similar vein of thought, the whole thing with x seems to have gone untouched wrt tea's semiwagon (and to be honest the acio/x aggro is a way better reason than just acio alone?????? especially since the reason for voting x after all that was waved away as a disagreement thing. i dunno but i find the fact that no one brought that up at all to be odd)
anyways, i digress and it stands that right now with the reasons given for voting acio and his current play/posts i feel mildly town on him (the almost complete tunneling PP thing is making me wary though.)

Mirdini: probably my second towniest read right now, if for nothing but productivity and opinions. hmmmhhh not much to say?? damn. the reasoning behind lynching PP took foREVER for me to get but i think i understand now and whatever PP flips will affect my read nicely)

Sotek: probably third town, i dislike the weird parroting/buddying thing going on between him and mirdini + the fluffposting D1 but besides that, pretty active and moderately informative! nothing particularly special i believe, but wow way better than some other folks.

Kieros: talk??? speak??? definitely not town, null leaning scum since no words on seastorm or why they seem suspicious/why vote. please explain at least that, and list some relatively quick reads too while you're at it. thanks

re-do on PP: not bad at first but eurgh that wall looked great before but now it comes off as safe-sounding and honestly i'd expect the exact opposite: a nicely worded but precise wall on who seemed scum and town, since the lynch on them could very well go through and stuff. frankly it didn't come off as something town would leave town if they honestly were leaving their last list of reads, and that in itself makes me hella suspicious.
the "no scum on jac's wagon" thing is a really good reason to want PP dead though. mgmhmh i've never dealt with reasoning like that before and i like it but i'm not sure how to comment on it so i apologize for the...rather weak reasoning here

doof reads better and better for me the more they post! probably the towniest read i have for contribution

and wow MV if i wasn't already voting you i would be. can i supervote MV is that a thing i can do

He said it in my mafia QT whoops was that the answer that would get me lynched

??????????????
WHAT???

and then you jump on Feral and sea in a BLATANT omgus manner. rhrgRHGRHGHh

I feel a little better about Feral for the same reason Tea does (leaping the wagon then bussing sounds pretty darn likely if sinjin and sea are scum) but hahaha the idea of MV, sea and feral all being scum still kinda lurks at the back of my head. feral is ok for now but. i've got my eye on >:I

[armoredSkunk]

this. was a thing. a thing that frankly i'm quite irritated was revealed, but the fact of the matter is i'm a naive cop pretty much useless as a role so i'm about as functional as a nilla townie. hmph. no fair.

who did you check last night, then?

[Mirdini]

but the fact of the matter is i'm a naive cop pretty much useless as a role so i'm about as functional as a nilla townie. hmph. no fair.

how the hell do you know you're a naive cop when we've had 0 scum flip