Postfia: N7: Angry Cat Sounds

[armoredSkunk]

I don't really see how voting Zatch will be all that productive because

He is Zatch

Hey DD could you maybe come up with something that may be more productive then?

BWAHAHAHAHHA

But seriously, Beru, are you going to tell us? or are you going to emulate seedy? Cause that's some mighty insubstantial a reason there!

Not necessarily a bad post but I wanted to point out starlight here was the very first (and only) person to jump to zatch's defense after what, 3 votes? Which makes me think of beru's suspected scumteam, and then when we get down to...

Ok people, so I promised a thing and I'm going to uphold my end of the bargain (unlike some people). Unfortunately, I seem to have a lot of scum reads. Whoops. This may or may not get me killed. /snerk/

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Intoxicating Starlight: K, so first vote was on Red. That was RVS, I'll give you that. That was on Page 5. Made another vote on Page 10 AFTER hearing Foe's explanation. Argues the point for two posts, then unvotes on second post, also page 10. Fluffs a bunch, acts defensive for a few posts. Suggests Red as a viable scum on page 14 without dropping a vote. More fluffs for SEEEEVERAL posts. Agrees with MV about Sotek. Moar fluff. #422 seems kinda odd (I mean about the squeal part. >: ). More fluff. Then Red vote because she feels it won't result in a hard lynch? What? Then posts that Red could be town. Then is unsure if she should remove her vote because Red blowing up isn't as funny as she thought it would be? Red lynched, flipped town. Makes a semi-useful post without dropping a vote, a lot of accusations are flung around. Makes a post about not lynching early (agreed). Still hasn't voted, more speculation.
-Read: While her early plays feel scummy (this could be due to hormones. I mean, it happens to me sometimes too) her plays today feel kinda towny. Don't like that she is waiting to vote when she could be trying to put pressure on someone for information or to potentially clear them. Null read for now.

Grutor: I don't even need to read your posts to determine you as herpdederp town. I don't like your plays, but there isn't anything I can do about that.

MV: RVS vote on me. Lots of game start silliness. Voted Eidolonic for his blow up early game about RVS. More fluff/conjecture. Votes Foe with a gif AFTER hearing his explanation. Unvoted, revoted Eidolonic without much reason. Unvoted Foe for a reason, from what I can tell. Called Starlight scummy without dropping a vote. More gifs. Posted a lot of conjecture about peeps without voting again. Fiiiiinally explained Eidolonic vote page 14. Then unvoted. Then voted Doof because vibes. Then jumped off because apparently he misread... The jumped on RoV without much explanation (see: he hadn't even posted a read on him). Then goes on the defense for a few posts. Then says Red is scum, even though he gave him a nullread earlier, with little to no conjecture, and no vote. Moar fluff. Red vote with no explanation. Then a wagon analysis (k) which he only actually accuses one person on the wagon of being scum, the rest being kinda null with the exception of dE? Too safe. Then more explanations on his votes, after the fact. >: Also, accusations on fF for actual reasons, and a vote. Then more explanations for past votes and defensiveness. Then more defensiveness.
-I don't like your plays. Honestly. They're too safe and you go into full on defense when someone trys to get you to actually be helpful. Also the gifs. Only use gifs if you accompany them with a fitting explanation. A gif alone a post does not make. Also your lack of vote dropping. Gah. I'm giving you a slightly scummy read.

aS: Self vote at RVS. Quick shift to Foe. RVS silliness. More conjecture. Drops a vote on me without an explanation (should we point out that "something seems off" isn't a viable excuse?) More conjecture without dropping votes. Dropped a vote on Red because he felt that Red hadn't actually spent enough time giving suspects than defending others (<- See, now thats an excuse). More conjecture/defensiveness. Then more defensiveness. Also, please explain why all of my posts ever (that wasn't clear to me.)? Then more conjecture, and asks Dini why some of the towniest people should be doc'd when the quantity of their posts is low (lol?). Again with the thing on me without actual reasons. Says he is okay with a Red lynch or a me lynch without actually stating WHY for either of us (or at least not recently for Red's case and not reasonably for my case). Says he isn't content going off of vibes WHEN ALL HE HAS DONE THIS ENTIRE TIME IS VIBES-ED ME AND LET OTHER PEOPLE FILL IN THE BLANKS. More conjecture. Votes MV because of scum read that didn't happen before in the thread? Apparently I'm still a thing. For actual reasons this time. But I stated why those were wrong. Moving on. More fluffs and telling me that I'm still schrodinger's scum. Then an unvote to try and slow the MV lynch.
-You. YOU. YOOOOOOOOOOOU. Argh. The more I look at you the more I don't like you and think you are scum. Yes, lets tunnel the easy target. Tunnel tunnel tunnel tunnel. Scum read. Lrn to raisins.

Dini: RVS'd on someone not in the game. Lol. RVS silliness. Reasonable Dini is reasonable although inciting meta. Scum hunty then Rogue vote for reasons. Conjecture. Tiny floofs then CDV. More conjecture :3. Trying to get votes/reasons out of people. More scum hunting (Yay). More scum hunty Dini. Then a vote on Red for no readwall. After hammer stuff. Then moar wanting MV dead. More Dini being Dini.
-Town Read, nuff said.

Eidolonic: RVS on Sotek/Laset. Early game shenanigans. I'm just going to skip ahead a bit because I've already read most of this. K, so this is after his Ru vote. Defending his vote with two posts. His latest posts... have been about a wagon that happened a few days ago. Wow. 4 posts since I made that wall. Says the wagon feels scummy. No conjecture as to why.
-Ok, so we're a few days in. Last time I gave you a null-minor town read. I think I'll switch it back around to null leaning on scum, mostly because he left his vote on Ruu and then didn't do anything for the rest of the time. Also he hasn't posted at all in this day slot even though he has been on IRC. Lol. (Ok he posted now. That was after I had finished writing his section though, so yeah)

Sotek aka Lasers! (I almost missed you! :< ): So RVS vote on Doofaeus. RVS silliness. Early game scumhuntaaaaah. Then a bunch of conjecture relying on feelings. Then more conjecture. Blahblahblah a bunch of stuff. Ohhay me. I'm a cool gal. :D More scum hunting. Also reasons.
-Town read. :3

From this point I'm just going to skip the needless conjecture because I want to get on with playing my game and this has taken me 2 hours ish thus far. >:

Zatch: I would say herpderp town, but you have very few actually useful posts. Like, I want to say town but you haven't actually been scum hunting just more or less defending. And then there was the time when you felt Red was off and then quickly decided Red was town. Sooo... Null read leaning scum. >:

Foe: So much fluffs. And then pressure vote labelled as pressure vote. Lol. Also, where are your reasons behind your MV vote? REAAAASONS. Also. Ugh. You just feel scummy to me. Like, I don't even gaf about the whole brother incident. Its just that your plays this entire time have been really, really, really bad. For instance the last minute hopping on Red. So yeah. Scum read.

Beru: Beru reasons, reasons Beru. I've been on other people about this in this post, so I have to be on you too (even though we're friends irl lol). Also moar naks please. I mean, you're being more active than last time (METAMETAMETAMETA), but...
Meh. Null Read on Ruu.

DD: Kinda just upped and left during the Red lynch. Then a Vote on MV without raisins. RAISINS. Used meta to defend a dE vote. Waitwaitwait. First you think Zatch shouldn't be trusted and that he sneaks up on people, now you think we won't learn anything from his lynch? I mean, sure, there are better lynches, but we will still learn things. Ugh. Can't believe I gave you a town read. Minor scum read.

fF: So many single line posts that tell me nothing. Like... Where is the content, bro? Like... I see one, maybe two posts in which you actually wave around the magic accusation stick, but don't act on it except for the Red vote, which you unvoted a few posts afterwards. Scummy read. Blah.

RoV: I guess he could be town? I mean, we reaaaaally haven't heard much from him. More content. I know you're something to do with meds, so I'm cutting you some slack here.

Fragowump: Yoooooou. YOOOOOOOOOOU. An RVS on me a reasonable vote does not make. And thats what I have to say about that. Also reasons previously stated, and the fact that you hopped on the Zatch wagon without waiting for actual reasons. Scum read.

dE: Ok ok ok, so earlier you say DD is a thing and the IS is probably town due to her defending Red's towniness? And yet now you seem to believe she is scum for the very same reason? Wat? Also your lack of posts is fishy. Slight scum read.

Crillfish: D: WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN CRILLS? Your absense does not make me feel good. ;w; Null feelings from you. Like, I see lots of fluff and speculation.

InoxFy: Where the hell are you? Lurker read.

~ATH: ^ Lurker read.

Holy crap me, I can't believe that actually took Like... 3 hours? Wah. (I went from most posts to least posts with this one, btw)
So I can't decide who is the scummiest of my scum reads. Hmmmm... Oh I know, lets go with... Vote: aS because even though I know I'm going to get flack for it, I don't like how he is tunnelling me. >:

who has a null on star and two tentatively placed scumreads on MV and Zatch. Which looks kind of decent! Except it is accompanied by a bunch of safe reads and oh huh suddenly I look scummy? :?
There's a good number of things that don't work here but the main thing is I am definitely not tunneling you Pharas? You are one of my top scumreads and I would be p happy with your lynch. Lobbying for lynch =/= tunneling.

However on that note don't be fooled Pharas. I may have unvoted MV but I'm still down with lynching him. That wagon is kind of out of control though and away-lynches are generally a bad idea.


skunknote: Fragowump I can understand it is overwhelming to come back to the game after missing a lot and I appreciate you trying to get involved. A C/D/V question* isn't going to cut it though. When you have time, I'd appreciate some more in-depth thoughts. Here are some questions for when you get back:
Who looks the most suspicious to you from the Red wagon yesterday? (can be one person but the more the merrier)


*Cop Zatch; get that out of the way because I don't think we'll get much from ordinary methods
Doc ???; I'm going to leave this one blank for now
Vig MV/Pharas/maybe starlight, or better yet a lurker because I'm developing an aneurysm trying to read them

[armoredSkunk]

amendment: rereads are a good thing to do

Remove starlight from my viglist, I'm liking her more right now

[Pharas]

who has a null on star and two tentatively placed scumreads on MV and Zatch. Which looks kind of decent! Except it is accompanied by a bunch of safe reads and oh huh suddenly I look scummy?
There's a good number of things that don't work here but the main thing is I am definitely not tunneling you Pharas? You are one of my top scumreads and I would be p happy with your lynch. Lobbying for lynch =/= tunneling.

However on that note don't be fooled Pharas. I may have unvoted MV but I'm still down with lynching him. That wagon is kind of out of control though and away-lynches are generally a bad idea.

Safe reads? I called over half of town scum for various reasons I found to be scummy. That's more than enough to convince other people to put a knife in my back. Also, of your 35 posts you made reference to me/used my name 13-14 times. That's a good third of your posts. Clearly there is a disconnect here. Frankly, I don't see how I'm one of your scummiest read when there have been waaaaaaaaaaay worse people on the table.

[absoluteCertainty]

rin, tunneling is not what AS is doing to you
tunneling is what i was doing to grutor, but only if i thought grutor was scum.
if you are tunneling someone that is the only person you are interested in
AS has made posts about people who are not you
therefore not tunneling :v

[Pharas]

rin, tunneling is not what AS is doing to you
tunneling is what i was doing to grutor, but only if i thought grutor was scum.
if you are tunneling someone that is the only person you are interested in
AS has made posts about people who are not you
therefore not tunneling :v

=P Fine, but I still don't like his lack of ~raisins~ towards me.

[Intoxicating Starlight]

Lol dd it's not defending zatch
It's asking beru why she thinks we should lynch zatch
Which is hardly a defense of zatch at all!

Especially since i'd actually seriously consider it if beru gives us reasons

[Intoxicating Starlight]

OOPS SKUNK POSTED THAT
IT'S DIRECTED AT SKUNK NOT DD
L O L

[rogue of void]

Shit about me, so basically I am narcoleptic and they recently figured out, like yesterday, that they need to up my meds. So I should be back up and running tonight after I get off work or by this afternoon just before work.

[InoxFy]

With all due respéct, RoV, please don't join any further mafia games if all you're going to post is excuses for not posting. That said I take your word for it this time, and look forward to your next post this afternoon.

I agree with Ruru on this. Not exploring other vote options today is a waste of day time. But Zatch?
I'd honestly think any of Frag, RoV or Foerum would be significantly more productive on account of having a bunch of posts and marginal content.

Heck, you three. Post at least 3 town reads and scumreads with reasoning. ASAP.

[InoxFy]

Considering I haven't been the platonic ideal of activity either, I'll do it too.

Town:
Skunk- I don't think I need to elaborate too much on this one. He's been contributing. A lot.
Eidolonic- Everything about him since after RVS makes me feel he's actively trying to help town.
Starlight- The Foerum-directed snark actually makes me feel town on her, and she's made some pretty good posts at the start of D2. The only thing that feels kinda weird about her is how on and off she was of the Red lynch.
Fantom¹-

Scum-
Mistah Vistah- This guy's reads are all over the place, if I didn't think this guy was scum I wouldn't be voting him.
Foerum- I know he's been around but I can't remember him talking about anything except the bro thing, and looking back shows he also checked in at the end of yesterday to non-commitally say how far Red was from hardlynch. I sense a whole lot of nothing from his posts and I don't like that.
Frag- Oh god every SINGLE post he makafjwr jhnwejnfh ajdf nj3294j 98v3ujwahrf ahv113e 32. He doesn't have the excuse of being new. He's been in at least 2 games before this one.

¹Fantom would be a nullread at best except.

Unvote
Gonna take a gamble and say that scum didnt get told our specific alignment title

This makes me pretty much certain that Fantom is town.

[Foerumokaz]

Hmmm, I need to reread to give some reads, and i don't have time for that tonight.

However, if I can use my Night Action correctly, I think I may be able to prove my towniness by D3. InoxFy, I think you'll just have to talk it over with aS during D3.

[Doofaeus]

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OH HEY SUP I'M DEAD.
Welp, dead N1 of my first mafia. No worries though but I particularly liked this mafia.
I enjoyed this quite a bit though, thank you for making this enjoyable guys I hope to see you in other games.

[DecidedlyDevious]

Hey DD could you maybe come up with something that may be more productive then?

Lynchin MV

But really, maybe I'll explain why I think this Zatch train is a bad route a little bit more clearly since people don't seem to be understanding.

As I said, Zatch is Zatch. As others have (rightfully) pointed out, that doesn't preclude him from being scum. However I just haven't seen scum Zatch, and nobody who has jumped on that train has shown scum Zatch in any convincing capacity. I just don't think we're going to get anything interesting out of pursuing him!

[armoredSkunk]

Yes I agree, but I was kind of more hoping to hear your opinions on other people as well?

[armoredSkunk]

And hey MV, did you visit anyone last night, for any reason?

[feralFantom]

The Zatch train seems really weird. I don't see the point of it if you give no actual reasons to react/respond to
I'm all for going down all the avenues though

Fragowump continues my first day impression of reallyweird
The whole oh yay I started a wagon, Oh this vote isnt even a vote. I don't know if its even a scumread its just weird

Pharas's wall is also odd to me because it seems like the lightest scum reads have the most reasons

[Mirdini]

I just haven't seen scum Zatch

read Marvelfia where he was NINJA GODFATHER

he's surprisingly Zatchconsistent iirc (might be misrecollecting though it's late I've had a bit to drink and that game was a while ago)

[Grutor]

Heh not going anywhere fast. Why don't we just use our gut feeling here and just vote for the people we want dead? I feel like the band wagoning is more of an excuse to make the game go faster.

[armoredSkunk]

I'm not goin to give Zatch a pass just because he has a rep for being derpy. If we do that all the time he'll finally roll scum and we'll just be "hur hur he's zatch he is like this all the time" and then he wins.

Case in point, DHIAU

Lynchin MV

But really, maybe I'll explain why I think this Zatch train is a bad route a little bit more clearly since people don't seem to be understanding.

As I said, Zatch is Zatch. As others have (rightfully) pointed out, that doesn't preclude him from being scum. However I just haven't seen scum Zatch, and nobody who has jumped on that train has shown scum Zatch in any convincing capacity. I just don't think we're going to get anything interesting out of pursuing him!

ALSO ALSO

Care to explain this, DD?

[DecidedlyDevious]

I thought he might be scum at the time. The way Beruru jumped on him now makes me think he is not scum. Reads change, you know? Especially after Day 1. Like how I thought IS might be scum but am not so sure about it now on second thought.

If you want something to talk about, how about the fact that ~ATH has all but disappeared?

[armoredSkunk]

nahhhh ~ATH disappears all the time we can talk about him later, right now I have leads to talk about.

My problems with your posts weren't that you changed opinions, but that you were "not goin to give Zatch a pass just because he has a rep for being derpy" and then do just that with "Zatch is Zatch." Still want to hear more from you though! Why do you not think starlight is as scummy now?

And what are your opinions on the people that are talking? Such as, but not limited to, Sotek, Pharas, and FF?

[Grutor]

All I can say is armored is that your trying to hard for someone who has one vote on him and Zatch might be a possible candidate but I can see he's tide up in multiple games considering if he doesn't even remember what he said from D1.
Between you and Zatch who's the safe lynch?

[armoredSkunk]

guess what Grutor, my vote isn't even on him!

Nor am I on Zatch!

But nice chainsaw defense.

[absoluteCertainty]

unvote

my reasons were "make more people talk about zatch"

i have succeeded

yay

[DecidedlyDevious]

I'm 90% sure Sotek is town for reasons. Hey if Beru can use it as an excuse to jump on Zatch, then well

I feel like Pharas is a good scum candidate for her strange arguments on... just about everyone.

I think FF might be lukerscum. Playing kind of how he did in Redfia when he was scum

Somewhat confident you are town.

I'm starting to feel IS is town because I've been agreeing with things she's said today.

The interesting thing about Mirdini is Red wanted us to look at him today when Red flipped town. Him AND Sotek really, but as I previously stated I'm pretty confident Sotek is town. It would kind of depend on if I felt Red was just completely off base or if there was a kernel of truth to what he was saying. I can't say Mirdini has been as active as he usually is, but as usual he remains an enigma.

Still don't like the "REASONS" jump on Zatch by Beruru. I don't care if it's inconsistent with what I said Day 1. It was so bizarre and out of the blue and a bunch of people just said yeah okay.

All of this still leads me to preferring MV dead though