Star Trek The Next Generation.

[ImperatorMortis]

I've been interested in this series for a long time, and I need to see if Picard lives up to the hype. Anyone know where I can watch the series?

[BRPXQZME]

It depends on where you live, but where I live, BBC America runs it at 6-7pm (EST) Wednesday through Friday, and Syfy runs it 8am to 4pm Fridays. In addition, you can get it streamed from Netflix, if you don’t want to buy the whole set (which is kind of pricey).

Warning: most of season 1 is hard to enjoy any way but ironically, with only a few shining spots here and there poking through the clouds of mediocrity to hint at the show’s future greatness.

[ImperatorMortis]

Well I meant watch online. But thanks for the response.

[BRPXQZME]

Netflix streaming is online

As far as I’m aware, that’s the only legal avenue for watching STTNG online.

[-Benedict]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...ke-Coming-Home

The ending of this video here... is pretty much choke-on-your-drink amazing. I don't know whether I should want to give LeVar Burton a hug or smack him 'cross the face.

[BRPXQZME]

you don’t have to take his word for it

[shotgunBuckaneer]

On the subject at hand, yeah, Season 1 is kind of narmy, but there's a reason TNG Season 2 was the Trope-namer for "Growing the Beard".

[Izzus]

Warning: most of season 1 is hard to enjoy any way but ironically, with only a few shining spots here and there poking through the clouds of mediocrity to hint at the show’s future greatness.

I hate to come off as anal, so please think of it as advice rather than bitter words.
Pretending to like something stupid (or in some cases, actually liking something stupid) isn't irony. Irony is when the opposite of the intended effect of an action occurs. For instance, if you still don't understand what irony is after this explanation, that would be ironic. *two snare drums and a cymbal roll down a hill*

I agree with the larger part of what you said though, the first season is kind of campy. It gets way better when Riker grows a beard, as shotgunBuckaneer said. Don't expect a lot of action, Picard has more of a "talk first, shoot when all options are exhausted" philosophy in contrast to Kirk's "talk a little, throw rocks at them, then fuck" philosophy. Q is awesome though, I loved every second of John DeLancie's performance. I even based a role play character off of him once. He's probably one of my favorite characters in the show.

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Go to google and type in "1 channel". Make sure you're looking at TV, not Movies. Only click on the putlocker and sockshare links. Beware of viruses. Good luck, soldier.

[BRPXQZME]

I hate to come off as anal, so please think of it as advice rather than bitter words.
Pretending to like something stupid (or in some cases, actually liking something stupid) isn't irony. Irony is when the opposite of the intended effect of an action occurs. For instance, if you still don't understand what irony is after this explanation, that would be ironic. *two snare drums and a cymbal roll down a hill*

Sorry matey, the irony is all on you.*

First, you are describing what is called “situational irony” correctly; however, you aren’t quite understanding the application. It is precisely this form of irony which applies to the concept of “enjoying something ironically”. Dispel yourself of any notion that it has to do with the so-called hipster stereotype of ostentatiously “enjoying” PBR because it’s the beer of the working stiff and that is what hipsters are not (that there’s just baaaad. nobody enjoys PBR). When you actually enjoy a work ironically, you are enjoying that it is horrible, with no actual love for the bad acting, bad plot, or what have you. What should be: writhing at the bottom of your den-turned-agony-booth because this stuff grinds your gears. What happens: entertainment. Bam! “A state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result”. Ergo, irony.

As far as I am concerned, I cannot in good conscience call what is wrong with season 1 “camp”. The big problems that make it so difficult to tolerate have entirely to do with badness. The camp factor for me is meh whatever. I’m willing to cut them slack on not having “found” the show yet, and things like subpar special effects really don’t bother me. Some of the bad writing, like poor pacing and weird characterization, well, there was a writer’s strike and there wasn’t much could be done about that. No, what gets me squirming in my seat uncomfortably, fast-forward button held down, is the stuff that is downright embarrassing. YMMV but I had trouble not squirming through that first encounter with the Ferengi. Or “Code of Honor”, which I would hope needs no explanation.

Ultimately, the first season is worth your while as a fan, if you’re into the whole continuity thing. My opinion of “Skin of Evil” (1x23) kind of sums up how I feel about the thing overall. “Skin of Evil” is a bad episode with a stupid monster as an antagonist (ooooOOoo it’s eeeevil and does eeeevil things and you can’t phaser it). But the major plot event in it immediately forces just about everyone in the main cast to grow in a way they (as characters) didn’t see coming, perhaps even weren’t ready to deal with yet. Even the seasoned Captain Picard is affected in a meaningful way. Like season one, that episode is full of growing pains, it sets up events much later in the series, and perhaps most surreptitiously (because even the writers couldn’t have known certain things), it foreshadows.

But as far as seeing why the show is so respected, it’s probably best to just go with a later standalone episode. “Darmok” is easily one of the best in the series. “The Inner Light” is another important one. Both of them explore the human condition, something the show does well when it’s at its best. Also, both of them are Picard-heavy episodes.

*dramatic irony, since everyone in the audience was given a flyer explaining all about how I paid attention in high school English. oh right, this is all staged, by the way.**

** except this was what you’ve been fighting against the whole time, so there’s tragic irony right there.***

*** something something verbal irony. if you’ve seen the last episode of Futurama, you’ve seen Bender define it. if you haven’t, why not?****

**** There are other kinds. Anyway, Alanis Morissette does not understand it. Unless that was the whole point...? Anyway, I hope it is clear by now that I understand irony just fine, thanks.

(For what it’s worth, though, I also get kind of squirmy with those Klingons-are-so-cool episodes the majority of fans seem to like.)

[Izzus]

Sorry matey, the irony is all on you.

First, you are describing what is called “situational irony” correctly; however, you aren’t quite understanding the application. It is precisely this form of irony which applies to the concept of “enjoying something ironically”. Dispel yourself of any notion that it has to do with the so-called hipster stereotype of ostentatiously “enjoying” PBR because it’s the beer of the working stiff and that is what hipsters are not (that there’s just baaaad. nobody enjoys PBR). When you actually enjoy a work ironically, you are enjoying that it is horrible, with no actual love for the bad acting, bad plot, or what have you. What should be: writhing at the bottom of your den-turned-agony-booth because this stuff grinds your gears. What happens: entertainment. Bam! “A state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result”. Ergo, irony.

Oh my goodness, what a brain blaster! Haha, okay. I'm not gonna argue. But as for the rest, I would most definitely call it camp. Be it cheese, suck, or funk, all synonyms for "not that good" can probably describe it. The reason I chose camp is because that's pretty much the word I use for anything that falls between watchable and unwatchable. The things like Hausu and The Toxic Avenger. I could probably sit through anything (even that prequel to The Thing, which is un-fucking-watchable by the way), so the first season doesn't really make me cringe like it seems to do for you. I guess it depends on your tolerance for crap. That's not to say that the first season doesn't have merits, seeing as many of the sci-fi concepts it presents are very intriguing.

[BRPXQZME]

It’s more the borderline *isms that gets my goat... for instance, Angel One tries its hand at a classic feminist role reversal story and falls so very flat. Code of Honor, well, I don’t think there was anything borderline about that; it was just plain racist, and that’s turrible.

Camp doesn’t really mean what you seem to be using the term for? Camp refers to a particular aesthetic/outlook, which includes being kind of tasteless, but it doesn’t stop there.

[Izzus]

Or perhaps my opinion of the show allows me to view it as such? Honestly I didn't know that campiness went beyond appreciation for bad taste/aesthetics. I thought it was more of a subjective thing.

[BRPXQZME]

No, there’s definitely camp in there. But camp is a certain kind of bad and has a history behind it and stuff. You can’t just call something that’s bad camp. “Tragically ludicrous” or “ludicrously tragic” would be good criteria. These days, another rule of thumb you could use is “like the Batman TV show”.

[Izzus]

Gotcha.

[SeFoNo]

ST:TNG, from my view, is this: Take Star Trek, take away some a'the shittiness, (maybe mosta it.) and add an varied cast, less Scottish engineers and stuttering captians, and mixed with some deep philosophical shit, and One Epic Bald Dude. Engage!


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[hristy]

But as far as seeing why the show is so respected, it’s probably best to just go with a later standalone episode. “Darmok” is easily one of the best in the series.

I always loved this episode, it's one of my favorite, I really love all of star trek I am running a forum adventure based on mspa and star trek, I really love the Darmok episode too I made a comic about it.





I love everything star trek I could go on about it forever, I've won some big trivia contents on sto, I've even seen some mspaers on sto, its funny.

[nostalgebraist]

More people should read Notes on Camp. It's great.

I loved TNG when I was a kid and still watch it with friends sometimes, though a large part of our enjoyment (even of the later seasons) is ironic (and most of the rest is nostalgia).

[Trek]

I'm actually just getting into TNG, after having watched it, then DS9, then Voyager. Picard is just such a good captain and Patrick Stewart does a great job portraying him. I can't really stand season one and season two has Pulaski who I'm not a fan of.

[hristy]

I think I love star trek too much, I mean even the last update refers to John loving a star trek character, malloy in con air which is colm meaney miles obrien in ds9 and tng






I at first had a hard time with the 1st season of trek series, but now I really love the 1st season of all series I've probably seen every trek episode on average 20 times.

Ultimately, the first season is worth your while as a fan, if you’re into the whole continuity thing. My opinion of “Skin of Evil” (1x23) kind of sums up how I feel about the thing overall. “Skin of Evil” is a bad episode with a stupid monster as an antagonist (ooooOOoo it’s eeeevil and does eeeevil things and you can’t phaser it). But the major plot event in it immediately forces just about everyone in the main cast to grow in a way they (as characters) didn’t see coming, perhaps even weren’t ready to deal with yet.

What's funny about this episode is that it would of never came out that way if Tasha Yar Denise Crosbey didn't want off the show, so that episode did come out awkward, but it did lead to Sela, and Yesterday's Enterprise, Reunification, and the Klingon Civil War episodes somewhere in the 4th-5th seasons, all really great episodes and a really interesting side of Denise Crosbey, though I think she just regretted leaving the show, she said her character wasn't very creative and kinda trapped into the same routines.


It's great to see their advacement, even tng has been remasterd in blue ray for the first season, more are to come out, but even in that season, where no one has gone before is one of the greatest episodes ever they travel about 10 billion times more than voyager did, though I love voyager, there's alot of other good episodes, 101010010101, datalore, even the last one the netural zone which gives hints about the oncomming borg,


They REALLLY need a new series, I cry every day that there isnt one ;__________________________________;

[BRPXQZME]

I'm actually just getting into TNG, after having watched it, then DS9, then Voyager. Picard is just such a good captain and Patrick Stewart does a great job portraying him. I can't really stand season one and season two has Pulaski who I'm not a fan of.

Yeah, Pulaski seemed like... like, maybe she would have been more likable if she had more than a season’s worth of character development but instead all she’ll ever be is a McCoy who isn’t as good at being McCoy as McCoy and doesn’t fit the setting like McCoy fit his.

They REALLLY need a new series, I cry every day that there isnt one ;__________________________________;

Nothing’s been greenlit, but there are pitches flying around nowadays (in the wake of the 2009 movie, no doubt). This includes a pitch for a series with Captain Worf.

[hristy]

Yeah, Pulaski seemed like... like, maybe she would have been more likable if she had more than a season’s worth of character development but instead all she’ll ever be is a McCoy who isn’t as good at being McCoy as McCoy and doesn’t fit the setting like McCoy fit his.

Nothing’s been greenlit, but there are pitches flying around nowadays (in the wake of the 2009 movie, no doubt). This includes a pitch for a series with Captain Worf.

Pulaski is okay she was in an episode of the original series, it wasn't bad, she wasn't bad in TNG, she was let on in the second season after they didn't like Gates McFadden so much, but apartely Pulaski wasn't doing it right so they wanted Gates back, Pulaski is okay, she's funny, I guess she's kinda like McCoy but not just that

I've heard about all these series pitches going on, yes lots since even 2009, I heard of a Star Trek: Federation about a timeline where the federation is having a hard time post voyager and so many more, I like how Michael Dorn wants to do one for HBO perhaps, make it a series on TV movie like episodes than something larger, I know there's more, The Worf series would be great, worf is the bomb : D : D : D

[ErzogDravsyn]

I honestly like Enterprise best, but I grew up with TNG and I have watched every episode. It's fantastic, absolutely great, and the main cast was an incredibly talented bunch. I have always wanted to do what Stewie did in that episode of Family Guy and just hang out with Patrick Stewert and the gang for a whole day.

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I honestly like Enterprise best, but I grew up with TNG and I have watched every episode. It's fantastic, absolutely great, and the main cast was an incredibly talented bunch. I have always wanted to do what Stewie did in that episode of Family Guy and just hang out with Patrick Stewert and the gang for a whole day.

I absolutely hated that episode.
I came in expecting an awesome episode about Star Trek TNG, only to find that 70% of it was an incredibly lazy and poorly thought out diatribe against religion.
Seriously, their arguments weren't only weak and childish, but their execution was cheap as well.
Not only that, but while I did somewhat appreciate the in-jokes in the few TNG segments there were, at the end of the day, it was just a poor setup to make some jokes with no real depth.
When Futurama got an entire Star Trek cast, they dedicated an entire friggen episode to it. And you know what, it was friggen awesome.
This, however, was just the final straw in me ever watching new Family Guy again.
(Original Family Guy will always be good, though.)

Wait, what was this thread about again?

[BRPXQZME]

Wait, what was this thread about again?

For all we know, at this very moment, somewhere far beyond all those distant stars, Benny Russell is dreaming of us.

[nikkoo]

hello, you can see it in Netflix