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[AndIMustMask]

I think ill take a crack at editting your sprites, hb2000.

another question from a mechanical standpoint: what's everyone's types? abilities? i could definitely speculate a few. note that this is incredibly disorganized, and mostly just me musing.

i suspect the babies would be normal-type, with the older versions being others

-john: could be flying, with his denizen being water/dark?
-dave: could be fire? since i dont think time is a pokemon type (...yet), with hephaestus being fire/steel?
-jade: could be psychic, and her denizen could be grass/ice i guess.
-rose: could be dark, maybe ice, and maybe ground/water for her denizen?
-karkat: no idea. fighting? dark?
-terezi: normal/dark? she most definitely needs oder sleuth, and i could see her getting suckerpunch too.
-tavros: rock/normal with reckless or rock head--use ALL the recoil attacks!
-vriska: dark? psychic? maybe with the forewarn ability or something similar
-equius: most definitely fighting, possibly with some steel moves thrown in (meteor mash, automate, etc.), fighting/ground could be cool.
-nepeta: normal or fighting (or both) i guess, with some dark moves sprinkled in, i could see her STAB slash being right powerful.
-aradia: basic psychic, robo would be steel/psychic or steel/ghost, dead could be ghost(/psychic), etc.
-sollux: definitely psychic, maybe bug as well? i could see electric working too.
-feferi: water, maybe with the multitype ability (or that one from kecleon), since we've seen from HIC that she has access to all of the types, all of them (or could that just be her ancestor form with that ability).
-eridan: water/dark? maybe he can naturally learn hyper beam.
-kanaya: possibly grass type for the absorb tree (and it fits the love of gardening i suppose), ghost for vampirism?
-gamzee: poison/dark or poison/psychic would be interesting.
-jane: normal all the way. maybe steel if we're counting lil seb (though i think lil seb would be a different evolution for liv tyler)
-jake: fighting? ground? grass?
-roxy: dark (voidyness)? electric could be cool
-dirk: steel? fighting?

live tyler could very well be the eevee of this, what with all the different iterations we've seen.

also, the ancestors would be scratch stone evolutions of the trolls, or legendaries--i definitely see the condesce being a powerful water/psychic, with access to most moves.


i notice im missing a lot of the regular types, with lots of dark- and fighting-types there. im very sure more variety could be added.

also: merged next post


mostly just screwing around with the shadows/fixing proportions, karkat was the only one i really had to mess with to any meaningful degree.

the only one im having issues with is the baby dave, since you cant make it much bigger without cropping out maplehoof, which would look odd in-game, and he's really tiny compared to the others as it is.

[Halfblood2000]

live tyler could very well be the eevee of this, what with all the different iterations we've seen.



mostly just screwing around with the shadows/fixing proportions, karkat was the only one i really had to mess with to any meaningful degree.

the only one im having issues with is the baby dave, since you cant make it much bigger without cropping out maplehoof, which would look odd in-game, and he's really tiny compared to the others as it is.

Types will be Breath, Life, Blood, Time, Mind, Void, Light, Hope, Space, Doom, Heart, Rage, Prospit, Derse, Human and Troll. For example, JOHN and his evolutionary line would be Human / Breath, KARKAT's Troll / Blood and JANE's Human / Life.

Thank you for the sprite fix. Actually, the Karkat is like that on the panel I copied him from, since I'm basing the sprites outta panels. But thank you anyway.

[AndIMustMask]

oh i realized he was like that in the panel, but i thought it looked funny compared to the rest.

Types will be Breath, Life, Blood, Time, Mind, Void, Light, Hope, Space, Doom, Heart, Rage, Prospit, Derse, Human and Troll. For example, JOHN and his evolutionary line would be Human / Breath, KARKAT's Troll / Blood and JANE's Human / Life.

Thank you for the sprite fix. Actually, the Karkat is like that on the panel I copied him from, since I'm basing the sprites outta panels. But thank you anyway.

okay then, given the new types, how will they interact in terms of weaknesses/resistances? do you plan on going over all the moves and replacing the types? also, what about people who aren't humans/trolls/carapaceans, like doc scratch, bec, bec noir (though he'd still likely be at least partial derse-type), liv tyler, the felt, etc.

[Halfblood2000]

oh i realized he was like that in the panel, but i thought it looked funny compared to the rest.



okay then, given the new types, how will they interact in terms of weaknesses/resistances? do you plan on going over all the moves and replacing the types? also, what about people who aren't humans/trolls/carapaceans, like doc scratch, bec, bec noir (though he'd still likely be at least partial derse-type), liv tyler, the felt, etc.

I'm doing the types right now. Yeah, I'll sort of do that.

They won't have the Derse, Prospit, Human or Troll types. Simple.

[AndIMustMask]

okay, so they wont have those types. what types WILL they have?

[Halfblood2000]

okay, so they wont have those types. what types WILL they have?

Doc Scratch: he replaces Oak
Becquerel: Space
Bec Noir: Space / Derse
Liv Tyler: Heart / Hope
The Felt: Time
Lord English: Time / Space
Squiddles: Heart
Typheus: Breath
Echidna: Space
Cetus: Light
Hephaestus: Time
Nyx: Void
Hemera: Life
Yaldabaoth: Heart

and such

[AndIMustMask]

Doc Scratch: he replaces Oak
Becquerel: Space
Bec Noir: Space / Derse
Liv Tyler: Heart / Hope
The Felt: Time
Lord English: Time / Space
Squiddles: Heart
Typheus: Breath
Echidna: Space
Cetus: Light
Hephaestus: Time
Nyx: Void
Hemera: Life
Yaldabaoth: Heart

and such

okay. have you thought up what weak/resistant to what?

[Blaperile]

Also, I guess Maplehoof would be a Heart type as well?

That's good thinking with those types, by the way!

I also like how Daycares would be replaced.

As for super effectiveness, I think Derse type should be super effective against Prospit type, and Troll type against Human type because of them generally being stronger than the other in-comic too.

[AndIMustMask]

seems understandeable, but any ideas on what human and prospitan could be good against? minion-types? is that a thing? it'd make sense for the imps and stuff if theyre made available, and i can see it as a poison or dark type equivalent (moves that are more annoying/status-inducing than most other types' movepools, etc.)

[keekers]

Love this idea! One question tho (since I'm a scrub) would this be played on the computer? I have no idea how hacks work :B

[Blastoking]

Love this idea! One question tho (since I'm a scrub) would this be played on the computer? I have no idea how hacks work :B

hacks are usually played by patching it over the original game's rom, so you would download Pokemon Firered, patch it with a program after the hack is done, then you would load it up in an emulator such as Visual Boy Advance,

[Halfblood2000]

hacks are usually played by patching it over the original game's rom, so you would download Pokemon Firered, patch it with a program after the hack is done, then you would load it up in an emulator such as Visual Boy Advance,

Exactly! The game will be downloaded as a .ips patch.

seems understandeable, but any ideas on what human and prospitan could be good against? minion-types? is that a thing? it'd make sense for the imps and stuff if theyre made available, and i can see it as a poison or dark type equivalent (moves that are more annoying/status-inducing than most other types' movepools, etc.)

I will maintain the type advantages and disadvantages a secret for you all to discover while playing. : P

[Captain Combusken]

I personally dislike the idea of creating new types. I think it would be much better to assign existing types to characters. John is obviously Normal/Flying type for instance, and Rose is Probably Dark/Electric, Dave is Fire/Steel or Fire/Ice, Jade is a Grass type of some sort (Grass/Ground perhaps?). I just think that it's a much better way to do it personally, rather than making up 17 new types (You only made 16 btw in that list you posted) and choosing what the weaknesses are.

In other news, I've made a list of characters. I haven't included any that haven't appeared in the comic yet, and I haven't included The Ancestors because I feel we need all of their pre-scratch selves to actually use them. I also haven't included consorts (apart from Casey), or any character form Jailbreak or Bard Quest. There are only the main characters from Problem Sleuth as well.

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Baby John -> John -> Heir of Breath / Poppop
Baby Rose -> Rose -> Seer of Light / Mom
Baby Dave -> Dave -> Knight of Time / Bro
Baby Jade -> Jade -> Witch of Space / Grandma
Baby Jane -> Jane -> Maid of Life / Nanna
Baby Jake -> Jake -> Page of Hope / Grandpa
Baby Roxy -> Roxy -> Rogue of Void / Mom
Baby Dirk -> Dirk -> Prince of Heart / Bro
Grub Karkat -> Karkat -> Knight of Blood
Grub Terezi -> Terezi -> Seer of Mind
Grub Gamzee -> Gamzee -> Bard of Rage
Grub Sollux -> Sollux -> Mage of doom
Grub Vriska -> Vriska -> Thief of Light
Grub Tavros -> Tavros -> Page of Breath
Grub Aradia -> Aradia -> Maid of Time
Grub Kanaya -> Kanaya -> Sylph of Space
Grub Equius -> Equius -> Heir of Void
Grub Nepeta -> Nepeta -> Rogue of Heart
Grub Feferi -> Feferi -> Witch of Life
Grub Eridan -> Eridan -> Prince of Hope
Problem Sleuth -> Admiral Sleuth / Candy Corn Vampire / Chosen Arbitor
Ace Dick -> Corsair Dick / Fiesta Ace Dick / Gummy Worm Zombie
Pickle Inspector-> Skipper Inspector / Tootsie Roll Frankenstein / Godhead Pickel Inspector
Hysterical Dame
Nervous Broad
Mobster Kingpin -> Dark Matter Kingpin -> Black Hole Kingpin
Mobster Kingpin -> Fiesta Mobster Kingpin -> Demonhead Mobster Kingpin
Madame Murel
Warwary Villein -> Wayward Vagabond
Parcel Mistress -> Peregrine Mendichant -> Bec Mistress (Idk what else to call her)
Authority Regulator -> Aimless Renegade
White Queen -> Windswept Questant
White King -> Writ Keeper
Ms. Paint
Black King -> Beastly Killer (His fully prototyped form)
Black Queen -> Snowman
Itchy
Doze
Trace
Clover
Fin
Die
Crowbar
Stitch
Sawbuck
Matchsticks
Eggs
Biscuits
Quarters
Cans
Jack Noir -> Jackpers Noirlecrow -> Bec Noir
Sovereign Slayer -> Spades Slick -> Cyborg Slick
Draconian Dignitary -> Diamonds Droog
Hegemonic Brute -> Hearts Boxcars
Coutyard Droll -> Clubs Deuce
Con Air Bunny -> Knitted Bunny / Lil' Sebastian -> Liv Tyler
uraniamUmbra
undyingUmbrage
Rammom
Tinkerbull -> Tinkersprite
Bicyclopsdad -> Bicyclopsprite
Crabdad -> Crabdadsprite
Punce De Leon -> Pouncesprite
Mothergrubmom -> Mothersprite
Dragonmom -> Dragonsprite
Spidermom -> Spidersprite
Authour -> Authoursprite
Goatdad -> Goatsprite
Seashorsedad -> Seahorsprite
Gl'bgolyb -> Gl'bgolybsprite
Imp -> Lich -> Ogre
Imp -> Basilisk -> Giclops
Rambunctious Crow -> Seppucrowsprite
Lil' Cal
Jaspers -> Jaspersprite/ God Cat
Maplehoof
Puppy Bec -> Becqerel -> Becsprite
Casey
Dad
Sweet Bro
Hella Jeff
Jeromy
Typheus
Ceres
Hephaestus
Echidna
Hemera
Yadabloth
Nyx

Also, I finished Standard Dave's Sprite

Warning, that's posted via Iaza. It will delete the sprite in 90 days I think.

[PikaOi]

Mmh, this didn't turn out too great (and I couldn't really figure out a way to fit the book in there), but eh.
I'll work on another one in a bit. :V

[Halfblood2000]

I personally dislike the idea of creating new types. I think it would be much better to assign existing types to characters. John is obviously Normal/Flying type for instance, and Rose is Probably Dark/Electric, Dave is Fire/Steel or Fire/Ice, Jade is a Grass type of some sort (Grass/Ground perhaps?). I just think that it's a much better way to do it personally, rather than making up 17 new types (You only made 16 btw in that list you posted) and choosing what the weaknesses are.

Also, I finished Standard Dave's Sprite

Warning, that's posted via Iaza. It will delete the sprite in 90 days I think.

Thank you for the Dave sprite.

Mmh, this didn't turn out too great (and I couldn't really figure out a way to fit the book in there), but eh.
I'll work on another one in a bit. :V

I'll use that.

Guys, lemme ask you there: would you like the Pokémon types to remain there as Captain Combusken said, or would you like me to change them? Leaving the old ones there would be so much less work for me... : P

Also, may I advertise another one of the things I'm making: some of you might have seen Deities of the Waking World when it was active back in really late 2011 and January 2012. I'm rebooting it, doing everything better and accepting new suggestions. You can again change the entire course of the story! Go there for the adventure.

[AndIMustMask]

Thank you for the Dave sprite.



I'll use that.

Guys, lemme ask you there: would you like the Pokémon types to remain there as Captain Combusken said, or would you like me to change them? Leaving the old ones there would be so much less work for me... : P

Also, may I advertise another one of the things I'm making: some of you might have seen Deities of the Waking World when it was active back in really late 2011 and January 2012. I'm rebooting it, doing everything better and accepting new suggestions. You can again change the entire course of the story! Go there for the adventure.

i'd say keep the old types--it saves you the work, and newcomers here for the pokemon aspect arent left out.

posting from my 3ds currently, ill check your story thing when i get home.

ill also touch up that dave sprite, if combusken doesnt mind.

Mmh, this didn't turn out too great (and I couldn't really figure out a way to fit the book in there), but eh.
I'll work on another one in a bit. :V

i've got an idea for how--ill do a thingy and post it with the dave one. though i have no idea about the size constraints of the back sprites, so it may need cropping.

[Captain Combusken]

Nah, that's fine AIMM. I'm happy for people to edit the sprites when I've done them. I appreciate I'm not completely perfect at spriting. But I'm decent, so I like doing the base.

It may be obvious, but yeah, I want to keep the Pokemon types. I feel we need to keep a lot of Pokemon stuff. The types are such an integral part of Pokemon and I feel that messing with them would be wrong. Plus, assigning types to characters is much better, because we get to use far much more creativity.

But while I am on the subject of what we should keep as it is and what we should change, I have a cool idea actually; we could (with some work) edit the cities to look like Homestuck locations. That would be really cool (Pallet town looks like John's neighbourhood perhaps, Pewter could easily work as LOWAS, Cerulean City could become LOLAR, etc...).

[AndIMustMask]

that's great actually, since i'm terrible at bases, but i love detail work.

also yeah, with some tileset modifications you could totally make the towns and stuff resemble the kid's places.

also:


messed with dave a little, and the green blob is where the book might be able to be shown

[Halfblood2000]

Okay, we're going back to the original types.

[Blastoking]

Okay, we're going back to the original types.

hmm, i for one liked the idea for different types, just because i usually don't see that in hacks. But alright, original it is,

[AndIMustMask]

Okay, we're going back to the original types.

good, good. and now my evil plan is one step towards completion. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Thedude3445]

I actually like new types just because... all you have to do is rename the types with the aspects. Unless you were going to completely hack it to make an all-new type matchup thing, which would have been way too much work lol

[AndIMustMask]

but that'd most likely leave you with odd weakness/resistance matchups

[Thedude3445]

ehh not really I wouldn't think. But it doesn't really matter all that much :P

[ambiguous]

I prefer the original types as well. Some of the aspects just don't translate well to types - I highly doubt we'd see many Time or Hope-typed moves, for example.

Speaking of moves, are they going to be changed in this hack?