Tinyhunt - Town Win (´･ω･`)

[Ixtaccihuatl]

Ixta: in detail, why do you want to lynch Solaris?

Vibes, man.
But really, I'll make a post after work. Just marking this so I don't forget about it between now and then.

[Eidolonic]

Hrmgle.

I'm just trying to decide what I think of Tea, because if he's scum, that probably means that some of the other suspected people aren't?

Like. If Tea is scum...

I don't think anyone voting for him is also scum?

Tea (4): El Ninja Monkey, Para, Pharas, Crilly

I'm town, Solaris would be town in Tea Scum worlds.

So that leaves uh.

SupahKiven, Jwlk, Ehrgeix, Ixta, Rhyme, Prime as possible scumbuddies with Tea?

I could sort of see a Tea/Ehrgeix/Ixta?

Supah and Ixta aren't scum together.

Nor are Rhyme and Ixta.

Tea/Supah/Jwlk? Tea/Supah/Rhyme? I dunno.

Town!Tea worlds have maybe more possibilities, and they also don't exclude some of the people I want to look at pretty hard - ENM and Solaris.

Supah makes sense as scum in both scenarios which sort of stems from him not really giving much in the way of opinions (other than a dislike of Ixta, which makes me feel better about Ixta).

In conclusion: meh.

@Ehrgeix

Uh. In all that I don't really have a preferred coven I guess.

Supah, Jwlk, Solaris maybe?

Though Jwlk has felt a little more town than usual, and mentioned Solaris feeling bad at some point...

Blergh.

Only scum read I'm really convinced on is SupahKiven.

Sorry I couldn't give you a more definitive answer, Geix, there's just either not enough data, or I'm not running on enough sleep to process it, heh.

[KaiDASH]

Votals and stuff

ixta (2): el ninja monkey, supahkiven
el ninja monkey (1+3): tattered slippers | prime, Crilly(+lump)
solaris (1): ixta
supahkiven (1): eido

Day has ~48 hours left

e: also I'm giving jwlk 24 more hours to check in the thread before replacing him.

e2: also el ninja monkey has deadline lumps

[Crilly]

where's panda buddy?

[Eidolonic]

Uh. Hey, guys.

This game is still a thing.

@ENM - Convince me that you're town without revealing, preferably. Build the case on your preferred lynch target and sell it.

@Ixta - Do that post you mentioned on Solaris.

@SupahKiven - I want a full read list from you, please. Thoughts on every living player.

@Solaris - What are your thoughts on the other three people I've mentioned in this post? (ENM, Ixta, SupahKiven)

[Tattered Slippers]

This is quiet. Someone ask me questions!

Para: What do you think of Eidolonic?

[SupahKiven]

@Edio
He's a sort of read list on living players. Sorry if it's not really 'up to par'

Eido: I think you're town if only because you want my head and are making an effort to get it.
Jwlk: Not sure here. He seems town to me, but you never know.
Solaris: Again, not sure. Probably town, because of the reaction at the end of day one with Tea.
Rhyme: I'm fairly confident he's town.
Supah: Hi
Para: I pretty much have nothing. He hasn't really said much, aside from supporting the judge lynch and deadline voting Tea. I guess town, since he voted for Tea and everyone's all like 'Tea=scum'
ENM: I guess he could be scum, but if Ixta is scum then he's not cause he voted for her. Or something.
Crilly: Sort of an aggressive town player. That's all really.
Prime: I don't really have any reads for him. The posts he's made don't really strike either chord with me.
tS: Mechanic-y, but not really scummy.
Ixta: I think she's scum. But you knew that already.
(For the record, I've wanted to lynch Ixta since the previous day. Not really because Crilly 'wanted' to today)

[Ixtaccihuatl]

OK, I was going to write up a really long post for solaris, but as I was going through the thread again, I don't think it's worth the effort. Basically, my issue with solaris is the the whole "I'm super rabidly enraged about EVERYTHING" tone. It bothers me, and I wonder if it's a case of trying way to hard to seem town, and getting defensive when questioned. Crilly actually mentions this once, and sudden Solaris is like, "let's step back and be rational", but then goes right back to being enraged again after that.

[Crilly]

wellllllllll


I think Ixta's town and want to lynch solaris (looked back, what ixta said is true, also sollie just disapeared in a middle of an argument! Scummy!)

is anyone actually going to join me on this because honestly I'm fine with lynching anyone that is currently being voted for but ixta (also look at ixta wagon, makes ixta look so much better)

[Tattered Slippers]

I think that if sol is town ixta is a witch in this instance. Not sure what is true.

[Crilly]

I think that if sol is town ixta is a witch in this instance. Not sure what is true.

Explain?

[Tattered Slippers]

It's hard to explain in detail because I'm not exactly sure where that thought came from, but it feels very right to me. I guess what I really mean is "I think one of ixta or solaris is a witch based on their interaction. It doesn't feel like they are both townplayers.". I guess I was thinking about Ixta's post re: Sol as witch-ixta pushing a lynch on innocent-sol when I used that phrasing, but that's not necessarily true - witch-ixta pushing a lynch probably not so different in look to innocent-ixta pushing a lynch on witch-sol. I think I maybe need to go through their posthistories but I don't have time to do that right now (near 3am~), so I will leave this here as a reminder to do that.

Rhyme: What do you think of the above idea?

[Rhyme]

@Slippers: Okay, I can maybe sort of see where you're coming from but your rationale doesn't consider the bigger picture at all. What Crilly did with that opening Ix vote is actually really brilliant - by leading ENM and Supah onto an Ix wagon, he's established a separation between her and both of them, as well as Sol. You're reading Ix and Sol's interaction in a vacuum when it doesn't make sense to at this point. What you're saying sounds like it should be a safe bet with Sol being as suspicious as he is, but from post 178 you seem fairly sold on town Sol so I take it that despite your semi-backtracking, Ix is still the one you think is a witch? Cos this seems like a really roundabout way of saying so.

I'll be frank, I don't like the post. It's poorly explained, doesn't say much, and you've claimed to have a hard time reading Ix so it presumably isn't that. It basically amounts to vibes, even though you've seemed like a very logically-oriented player so far. If you want to expand on your idea, that'd be great - particularly re: why you would rule out both being town or scum.

[Crilly]

Oh whatever judge will decide again because everyone in this god damn game has decided not to bloody play

Vote: Solaris

[Prime Intellect]

Deadline Solaris

And then it turned out that Tea/Pharas was the judge.

[Ixtaccihuatl]

There's no way Tea is the Judge, that's the whole point of having a judge lynch, so that the judge DOESN'T lynch himself. Although Pharas could be.

[Crilly]

There's no way Tea is the Judge, that's the whole point of having a judge lynch, so that the judge DOESN'T lynch himself. Although Pharas could be.

Wine, wine wine wine

(also tea could of had a 'I pick target with most votes by end of day' and forgot to change it)

but likely hood is tea was not judge, yes.

[Eidolonic]

Not super comfortable leaving it up to the judge with people dead. Though I guess it's only a 10% chance?

I'm alright with a Solaris lynch I guess, though it'd be nice if he could pop in and share some thoughts/answer questions people posed to him.

Deadline Vote: Solaris

But blah. SupahKiven is scum, and if it comes down to the judge, it'd be nice if they shot him.

[Tattered Slippers]

re: Rhyme - a lot of it is a vibes thing, yes. Also if we're lynching sol or ix I would vote lynch ixta. I think you are maybe right about the vaccum though - it's hard to argue that kiven + ix are scum together and kiven seems pretty scummy, so I guess that's kind of indirectly a point in her favor. Basically my main problem is the d1 stuff just doesn't really feel like two townplayers arguing. It's possible I'm wrong of course. Bah.

[Ixtaccihuatl]

I rather agree about Kiven looking scummy actually. This post that me made about me was quite bad I thought.

Rhyme made a point about Ix that I personally agreed with:

It's one thing to poke holes into it and say how it'd hurt town, but she went from the angle of minimizing its benefits instead when there are concrete positives regardless.

Also, Ixta changed her Lump election vote thing to Crilly in a response to what I'm assuming to be something Prime said (post #106 for anyone who cares).
That's all I really have at the moment.

The accusation of vote changing is a thing. Accusing someone of flip-flopping is one of those things that works pretty well to get someone lynched, because it implies all kinds of scummy things. Except in this case, I never changed my vote at all. So here we have someone who is quite happily joining in on the bandwagon, but he obviously never actually checked my votes before making his accusation. In my mind, that's a scum move, just adding pressure to a wagon and encouraging false impressions, but forgetting to be careful about the accuracy of the accusations.

And on top of that, he added to the pressure and the perception of scumminess by going, "This other person thinks so too." This is a mental ploy, it helps push the bandwagon along, because it creates pressure on other people to agree with the group, or have people wondering why they aren't seeing what everyone else is seeing.

It also helps spread the guilt if it comes out later that I'm townfirmed, because it's "oh I was just agreeing with this other guy". And of course, the benefits of subtly buddying someone who seems (imo) very likely town.

[Ixtaccihuatl]

Wine, wine wine wine

(also tea could of had a 'I pick target with most votes by end of day' and forgot to change it)

but likely hood is tea was not judge, yes.

Eh, The entire point of giving the judge the first lynch is so we DON'T lynch the judge. It would defeat the entire purpose of the action. No amount of wine is worth having a guaranteed town person suicide on day one. You'd be causing as much confusion to the town as you would to witches as well, it's just not worth it.

Derpery is possible, but unlikely.

[Ixtaccihuatl]

Hrm, EBWOP: "This post that HE made about me was quite bad I thought."

[Crilly]

My point was that it was possible

it should never ever happen

but it was possible, is all.

[Prime Intellect]

Oh shit I didn't even think about that really.
Yeah so I'm an idiot.

And then it turned out that Pharas was the judge anyways and is rolling in her grave laughing.

[Crilly]

Erg, vote Solaris, (also I think you and solaris are scum now, just sayin)

actually someone just vote solaris

leaving judge to do it is so bad it hurts