MSPaint YuGiOh Tournament Pt. 2

[Palamedes]

it requires the tribute of an EXACTLY level 4 gemini monster to activate at all which means that it's by no means free destruction or draw, you have to kill your own monster for it

Notices that there are countless good level 4 Gemini monsters.

and any GOOD fusion deck can pull super polymerization bullshit

super polymerization bullshit

bullshit

there aren't going to be any competitive decks.

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I am assuming this is the reason anyways. Super polymerizing a 4000 attack indestructable monster a couple of turns in is not fun at all, and if people go around and try to find other ways to do it anyways more cards will probably be banned too.

I know personally I will be using a super theme deck again, this time with even FEWER unrelated cards. As in, no unrelated monsters, spells, or traps.

[ExKirby]

I'm willing to step into the world of Children's Card Games.

[Sinjin]

Wait. What about Metaion the underrated game winning stall lord?

And certain extra deck cards?

[armoredSkunk]

what there is a new thread??? :0

I am still here and would like to play (username is ten_skunks)

[Red709]

>There aren't going to be any competetive decks
>this is a tournament
>by definition
>competing
>against
>each other

...so uh
yeah

I thought I said last time, the "Theme decks only" rule was bullshit
"competitive decks" will still occur unless you ban every good card in the game

[Palamedes]

I think it's more competitive combos that are banned, not all competitive cards.

And for the theme rule, I'm actually calling bullshit on you Red because there were several theme decks that were incredibly fun and balanced while still being very good decks (DD's, Skunk's, and Sinjin's decks are a couple of good examples). While you are correct in that certain people went out of their way to make super competitive decks that was more of the exception. Everyone else understood the whole point of the friendly nature of the tourney.

All this being said theme decks are a fun handicap and I will be using another one even if nobody else does.

[Red709]

I'm calling bullshit on the theme deck rule because "balanced" is not indicative of "not competitive tournament worthy"

Sinjin's Skull Servant deck was, and I'm gonna straight up point out he said this himself, just a anti-meta Skull Servant deck with some of the big splashable cards removed
you can't make a actually good *useable* deck without making it somewhat competitive. Otherwise you end up with a goddamn mess

More importantly than that, the theme deck rule fucked my Gem Knights up because "lightning vortex, Divine Wrath and Destruction Jammer don't fit the theme so you can't have them"
well guess what, Gem Knights have almost NO GODDAMN MONSTER DESTRUCTION outside of Prismaura, a fusion, and unlike dark and light attribute or fiend, fairy and machine types, Earth Attribute Rock types don't get all kinds of special support
So right then and there that is crap saying you can't put in cards to offset that major and instantly deck-crippling weakness

also if you're directing that comment at me, I was at the time not aware gusto were even close to being part of the current tournament meta
considering that I don't think they've all been RELEASED in the US yet
yanno
might cripple the deck a little
just a bit
tiny bit

also, is Pot of Duality semi-limited or banned, I'm not sure I understand that bit.
or why you'd limit it at all
when it's one of the most balanced draw cards in the game

[Psychout]

My deck had a pretty obvious theme, but I still had stuff that didn't fit like Oozaki and other trap cards and stuff.

[Foerumokaz]

Pot of Duality is Semi-Limited. You can only use two. I notched it down from three because it's easy to splash into any deck, and I don't want people to just have a free three cards out of the way. Three PoDs can be too much for a friendly tourney.

There's no theme deck rule. You don't have to have a theme deck. You just have to have a deck that meets the ban-list requirements.

I need your guys' DN usernames. Make sure that I have them.

[swampmist1142]

mines the same as on here.
Also, if pepper's being both a judge and player, may I do the same???

[Fengar]

I'll join. My DN name is Fengar.

[Palamedes]

I've never actually seen your deck Red so it wasn't directed at you

I guess my whole point here was that good does not equal competitive, not to start an argument over what is unfair and what is bullshit and what is alright. Also I'd argue that there's pretty much no crippling weakness bar not having any monsters or something. Before the tourney my deck had pretty much no Spell defense or monster destruction bar sacrificing one of my own monsters, and no way to revive monsters past Salvage. It served me extremely well, Knight was the only guy I couldn't beat at least half the time with it.

I didn't mean to start a fight Red, but if you're still mad can we please solve it via PM?

[Red709]

I've never actually seen your deck Red so it wasn't directed at you

I guess my whole point here was that good does not equal competitive, not to start an argument over what is unfair and what is bullshit and what is alright. Also I'd argue that there's pretty much no crippling weakness bar not having any monsters or something. Before the tourney my deck had pretty much no Spell defense or monster destruction bar sacrificing one of my own monsters, and no way to revive monsters past Salvage. It served me extremely well, Knight was the only guy I couldn't beat at least half the time with it.

I didn't mean to start a fight Red, but if you're still mad can we please solve it via PM?

...uh
pala
I've never once been mad about any of this
at all
even a little
we are arguing over a children's card game how could I get seriously mad

this is more a philosophical thing

but like
you've obviously never dueled someone who uses a Neo-Daedelus deck
or a Batteryman OTK
there's
let's put it this way
you NEED counters and destruction if you want to deal with decks like that and SPEAKING OF WHICH WHY ARE WE IGNORING BATTERYMAN OTK DECKS IF WE'RE BANNING OP COMBOS

I mean come ON Inzektor are nothing compared to instant field clear and 9k attack

also the deck comment was that in the first tournament I originally intended to use gustos and then I pretty much ripped Swamp's deck in half because he was using a beatdown deck and beatdown decks don't do so well against decks that bounce damage back
read: SPHREEZE

[Sinjin]

Eh i'm joining. DN name is Sinjin.

I'll try not to use a deck that would decimate the entire tournament.

That said i think we forgot about final countdown decks on the banlist. Do you know how ridiculous those decks are?

[Palamedes]

how could I get seriously mad

ALLCAPS RAGE RAGE tends to give that impression, sorry about that :P

Also Knight has a Batteryman Deck and I even beat it once out of the 3 or so times he ran it against me. The other two times were really quite close as well. And I think the point is that we won't be playing Neo-Daedelus decks or OTK decks, like I said it's kind of an honour system that we have to abide by if we want to make it fun for everyone.

[Knight_of_Hide]

ALLCAPS RAGE RAGE tends to give that impression, sorry about that :P

Also Knight has a Batteryman Deck and I even beat it once out of the 3 or so times he ran it against me. The other two times were really quite close as well. And I think the point is that we won't be playing Neo-Daedelus decks or OTK decks, like I said it's kind of an honour system that we have to abide by if we want to make it fun for everyone.

That might be someone else, I have never used Batterymen. I do remember Shailsnic had them, though.

[Palamedes]

I thought you had an 'Assault and Battery' Deck which had a ton of the guys, but that might have been Mr. Muitini because my memory is terrible @_@

[~ATH]

final countdown decks on the banlist.

No. No. Nooooooooo.

I needs my final countdown.

Also, are we going to use the same deck throughout the whole tourney?

[Foerumokaz]

Yeah, we shouldn't be siding entire decks against each other

[PepperYena]

The problem with "Round robins" or whatever is that it pretty much makes side decks useless, since you can only use them during the space between matches, and this function doesn't have matches, only single duels with 1 person each.

[~ATH]

Ew, single duels? Not matches?

Anyways yeah I guess I'm using my reptile deck for this one. People really need to log in, I want to play some practice matches.

[Foerumokaz]

No, there'd be matches. The winner of the match would get the points. There wouldn't be anything for winning one game and losing the match

[PepperYena]

Ah, thanks for the clarification

This will be rather large then

I hope we get 12 people so we can have four groups of 3

[DecidedlyDevious]

I'll play. DN name is DeviousLeatherman. I probably won't use the same deck as last time since it failed me oh so horribly. Also, as soon as you read this I may go on to dick around with decks if you want to play.

Also just to address: I see your point Red, but you're getting too caught up in the semantics. When it says "competitive" decks it basically means nothing that would stand a decent chance at winning a tourney, or something that exploits various cards and chains to an alarming degree. Wind-Ups are a good example of this. Basically, just use your judgement. I think the card guidelines Foerum gave are pretty good and just stick with that. Don't just think in terms of "can this combo help me win". That's not really the spirit of this tourney. It's more about using cards and combos that would otherwise be ridiculous to try in typical competitive play.

Let's take Pepper's deck for example. Would it stand up against wind-ups, dark world, exodia or any of that other shit? Hell no. He found that out the hard way. But he made it to second place with it in this tourney and gave the first place a run for his money. And he did it with a deck cobbled out of one of his favorite things, animals and beasts. Because, really, if you want to use all the crazy stuff, uh, well, that's why DN exists and you are more than welcome to do that with many of the other fine folk who enjoy. But this tourney is more just to try out crazy experimental shit. So yes, it is "competitive" in the sense that we are competing but it is not "competitive" in that we are trying to find the quickest and most boring way to squash the competition.

Okay that last tidbit is pretty subjective, but whatever. I hope this helps you understand a bit more clearly what this is and, more importantly, what this isn't.

That said, I think I will also sign up to a judge because hell why not.

[Red709]

I'll play. DN name is DeviousLeatherman. I probably won't use the same deck as last time since it failed me oh so horribly. Also, as soon as you read this I may go on to dick around with decks if you want to play.

Also just to address: I see your point Red, but you're getting too caught up in the semantics. When it says "competitive" decks it basically means nothing that would stand a decent chance at winning a tourney, or something that exploits various cards and chains to an alarming degree. Wind-Ups are a good example of this. Basically, just use your judgement. I think the card guidelines Foerum gave are pretty good and just stick with that. Don't just think in terms of "can this combo help me win". That's not really the spirit of this tourney. It's more about using cards and combos that would otherwise be ridiculous to try in typical competitive play.

Let's take Pepper's deck for example. Would it stand up against wind-ups, dark world, exodia or any of that other shit? Hell no. He found that out the hard way. But he made it to second place with it in this tourney and gave the first place a run for his money. And he did it with a deck cobbled out of one of his favorite things, animals and beasts. Because, really, if you want to use all the crazy stuff, uh, well, that's why DN exists and you are more than welcome to do that with many of the other fine folk who enjoy. But this tourney is more just to try out crazy experimental shit. So yes, it is "competitive" in the sense that we are competing but it is not "competitive" in that we are trying to find the quickest and most boring way to squash the competition.

Okay that last tidbit is pretty subjective, but whatever. I hope this helps you understand a bit more clearly what this is and, more importantly, what this isn't.

That said, I think I will also sign up to a judge because hell why not.

actually these days DN exists so you can get your ass handed to you by a Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon deck every other duel

and Pala, I know the guy you were talking about who has that deck
he wasn't aware that Short Circuit, the Archtype's keycard, existed and therefore his deck lacked it

for proof of why I say Batterymen would be a banned deck: The Batteryman OTK combo and its formula

actually hell, here, have the entire Known OTK list