Meenahquest Part 3: Relationship Revelations Abound!

[Greyscale]

I'm not accusing Andrew of wickedness, only saying that we're supposed to see this as a low point in Rose's character arc.
Because actual underage drinking is pretty troubling, as common as it may be.

Teenagers are all kind of little shits.

Considering Rose made those drinks herself without the convenience of an alchemiter, then, for some reason that makes it sound a little unlikely. Like, when I picture someone being depressed, I don't usually picture them creating drugs from scratch just to get wasted on them.

Studying complicated chemical procedures through the tears.

This substance is getting unstable- like my state of mind.

[megalovanianUmbra]

Okay, so, potato. I'm actually wondering if Davesprite is going through the same thing with his raps that Dave is going through. And as for Rose getting a little tipsy, hey, a girl's gotta have a little fun now and then. Also, when I first saw that panel I thought Rose and Dave were on a dinner date or something. But then I snapped out of ship mode and realized Dave wouldn't have headphones on during a date. The dude's got more class than that.

[Vanymstorm]

Considering Rose made those drinks herself without the convenience of an alchemiter, then, for some reason that makes it sound a little unlikely. Like, when I picture someone being depressed, I don't usually picture them creating drugs from scratch just to get wasted on them.

Studying complicated chemical procedures through the tears.

This substance is getting unstable- like my state of mind.

You know, it could just be that Rose has a history of being anxious about physical contact while she's sober. She's just thinking ahead, guys. (How she knows that liquor helps is another matter.)

[Conspicuous]

Considering Rose made those drinks herself without the convenience of an alchemiter, then, for some reason that makes it sound a little unlikely. Like, when I picture someone being depressed, I don't usually picture them creating drugs from scratch just to get wasted on them.

Studying complicated chemical procedures through the tears.

This substance is getting unstable- like my state of mind.

Or she wants to get her booze on so badly she'll spend a significant amount of time into making it.

And as for why she wouldn't use the alchemiter, perhaps she just doesn't have the codes available to create any beverage she desired.
If it was that easy to create that shit with the alchemiter, Dave would've gotten his AJ on a long time ago.

[TheTuninator]

I wouldn't be too fussed about Rose drinking. Underage drinking may be illegal, but it's hardly a rule that is strictly adhered to by those who fall under its jurisdiction.

15-16's a bit young under normal circumstances, yeah, but normal circumstances have very little to do with Homestuck.

[Greyscale]

Or she wants to get her booze on so badly she'll spend a significant amount of time into making it.

And as for why she wouldn't use the alchemiter, perhaps she just doesn't have the codes available to create any beverage she desired.
If it was that easy to create that shit with the alchemiter, Dave would've gotten his AJ on a long time ago.

Couldn't she just get them from her memory? I mean she was at her house in that flash where she saw Dream Roxy. Although maybe captchaloging and reading the back of cards doesn't work in dreams...?

Either way, I think the context allows for people to be seriously skeptical about her drinking out of depression so far. She seemed genuinely excited about making those drinks.

[Vanymstorm]

Anyway, you guys know what my favorite thing about Rose's new look is? The way it so subtly suits her particular interests.

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... By which I mean her interests in a) Kanaya, and b) seeing Freudian Implications everywhere.

[Sawkinator]

I just found out I missed the whole conversation Dave and Rose have about her mixing up some beverages. And him demanding AJ (I know that feel Dave, I hate not having any juice around).

My previous argument is so invalid.

So what have they been doing about food? Did the meteor come already stocked or something?

[Soadreqm]

Mindfang was a pirate. Raping people was her job. >::::)

Studying complicated chemical procedures through the tears.

Rose is just morbid enough that I consider this a possibility.

[Bearstronaut]

Couldn't she just get them from her memory? I mean she was at her house in that flash where she saw Dream Roxy. Although maybe captchaloging and reading the back of cards doesn't work in dreams...?

Either way, I think the context allows for people to be seriously skeptical about her drinking out of depression so far. She seemed genuinely excited about making those drinks.

Even then, who knows if this was intentional. Again, we don't know that she made them on purpose. All we knew was that she was making beverages, and didn't use the traditional machines to make them. What ingredients would they have anyway that they can make things out of?

So what have they been doing about food? Did the meteor come already stocked or something?

They have a coffee machine on board, they must have SOMETHING to eat.

[Vanymstorm]

Guys, she probably alchemized the ingredients and was just messing with mixing new drink recipies.

Also, I wonder if she's been keeping up with her violin practice. Terezi should have the code in her chatlogs somewhere.

[Conspicuous]

Couldn't she just get them from her memory? I mean she was at her house in that flash where she saw Dream Roxy. Although maybe captchaloging and reading the back of cards doesn't work in dreams...?

My AJ argument still stands.
If it was all that easy, why wouldn't Dave be guzzling it out of one of those silly hats right now?

[moonyLunacy]

I just feel like in a comic with rape, murder, mind control, genocide, enslavement, sexual harassment, emotional abuse, and double-murder... Rose sitting around drunk in a non-depressed cheerful way and causing no harm to anybody whatsoever is the least of anyone's problems. I wasn't around at the time, but did people react this way when Gamzee was first introduced, with his sopor-slime-obvious-marijuana-parallel-pies?

I understand people's objections to it being a change in her character, but Rose's character has been developing for a while now. She's no longer the overly-stoic girl she once was. This really just seems like the "HOW CAN JOHN NOT LIKE CON AIR!?!" stupid debacle.

I was just about to ask this.

I had a "meh" reaction to underage drinking and drug use in Homestuck. The characters are acting exactly how an average unsupervised teenager would. When I learned about Gamzee and the sopor I was like, "Okay. A 13 year old drug addict. That's messed up. Moving on." With Roxy, I was like, "Where the hell is her mom?" And then I learned she had a good excuse.

But this is Rose we're talking about, someone who would be smart enough to avoid drinking knowing that she's genetically at risk for alcoholism. I think something is wrong. Like someone said before, she turned to the bottle in the doomed timeline due to depression and that there was nothing else to do. Being on the meteor is either really getting to her, or she knows something terrible is going to happen or something.

[Vcat]

I hope Kanaya pops up behind her, completely shitfaced, to also bother Dave with a bunch of spelling errors.
I have a feeling they decided to get drunk during their little date, just for fun.
I also have a feeling that Kanaya made that dress.

I really don't know why people would make a big deal out of this. It's Rose. I severely doubt she's going to turn into a raging alcoholic.
Getting drunk =/= instant addiction.
Let the girl have her fun.

[achromaticAbodement]

My first reaction to Rose drinking, was of course that it was awesome, because we'll now get to see an entirely uninhibited side of her (not conveyed by dense, verbose speech). My second reaction was dismay that with such a classy outfit, she would stoop so low as to drink out of a mug. My third reaction then was to actually wonder what she is drinking. Then after that I decided to stop numbering my reactions.

I did realize of course that despite her God Tier status, and therefore likely inability to damage her growth with substances, this is at least somewhat sending a message about the acceptability of underage drinking. I'm just pointing it out though, I don't really care.

Much more importantly, I'm very much hoping to see Kanaya with drunk Rose. Maybe they'll get drunk together? WONK WONK

There's so much more implied sexuality now that the kids are getting older. Rose and Kanaya "doing things" together alone. Dave rapping more about dicks (I think? It's hard to remember how many phallic references he made). Jade and Davesprite dating. John and Vriska...

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I have a feeling they decided to get drunk during their little date, just for fun.
I also have a feeling that Kanaya made that dress.

She probably DID make it! You're right.

[Bearstronaut]

I was just about to ask this.

I had a "meh" reaction to underage drinking and drug use in Homestuck. The characters are acting exactly how an average unsupervised teenager would. When I learned about Gamzee and the sopor I was like, "Okay. A 13 year old drug addict. That's messed up. Moving on." With Roxy, I was like, "Where the hell is her mom?" And then I learned she had a good excuse.

But this is Rose we're talking about, someone who would be smart enough to avoid drinking knowing that she's genetically at risk for alcoholism. I think something is wrong. Like someone said before, she turned to the bottle in the doomed timeline due to depression and that there was nothing else to do. Being on the meteor is either really getting to her, or she knows something terrible is going to happen or something.

It could have something do do with her plans with Kanaya, which may or may not have happened yet.

I also agree with this, since something strange should have happened for this to happen. We'll find out. Soon.

[EchoLogic]

Everyone's overthinking this. She's two years older and she's been living on a meteor with a bunch of other teenagers. There is no parental guidance and it's probably boring as hell. Of course she's started drinking.

I agree with this! But, this wouldn't be MSPA if we weren't overthinking everything
Actually it's interesting to think how different it must be for the kids as opposed to the trolls, I mean for the trolls living like this without any supervision must be way more normal for them than for the humans. Trolls are only looked after by their lusus, and anyway in many cases it seems more like they look after the lusus instead (like aradia and spidermom). The kids are from a culture, dare i say a species, which is traditionally looked after by two guardians.

[achromaticAbodement]

I was just about to ask this.

I had a "meh" reaction to underage drinking and drug use in Homestuck. The characters are acting exactly how an average unsupervised teenager would. When I learned about Gamzee and the sopor I was like, "Okay. A 13 year old drug addict. That's messed up. Moving on." With Roxy, I was like, "Where the hell is her mom?" And then I learned she had a good excuse.

But this is Rose we're talking about, someone who would be smart enough to avoid drinking knowing that she's genetically at risk for alcoholism. I think something is wrong. Like someone said before, she turned to the bottle in the doomed timeline due to depression and that there was nothing else to do. Being on the meteor is either really getting to her, or she knows something terrible is going to happen or something.

Why yes, she did turn to the bottle...

[Draconaes]

But this is Rose we're talking about, someone who would be smart enough to avoid drinking knowing that she's genetically at risk for alcoholism.

Do we actually know that? Was Roxy necessarily an alcoholic, or did she just drink a lot? They aren't the same thing, just saying. I don't think we know that Rose would have inherited any alcoholic tendencies.

[The Illusive Man]

Colwag's happiness is so small, its existence is a matter of conjecture among theoretical physicists.

> TheIllusiveMan: Disregard mediocre filler update of Dave rapping; the Donkey Kong TV show had better rapping tbh. Instead, focus on people mocking colwag about his opinion on said update.

You notice how colwag is suitably outraged that the current potatoes do not focus on characters not previously seen in the past few updates. colwag makes an excellent point of how Dave and Rose are already witnessed in Meenahquest and generally could be left alone. However, these outrages are simply seen as a "typical colwag moment" and outright disregarded.

You try to defend colwag:

"Yo, I agree with Colwag's sentiment. Other characters deserve screen time, and Dave and Rose already get enough of it. I'd honestly wonder what Karkat's dreaming about more than anything else, to be frank. I get the feeling he's probably dreaming about some of his still-dead allies, like Nepeta and Eridan among others."

You then carefully observe the comments about "underage drinking" and laugh condescendingly at them. To be honest, Rose drinking is probably some level of Freudian shenanigans that some might not grasp; her mom was a heavy drinker and Rose hated the drinks she possessed to begin with. Whatever drink is causing Rose to act like Roxy is understandably probably the result of some alchemy not made clear to the audience perchance on purpose. One's blood alcohol can go up through simple pharmacy items, even. There's also the placebo effect, where if someone thinks they're hammered then they will behave so.

You also sigh, and let the discussion continue. Your nonplussed nature of the current potatoes is made obvious to everyone else at this point, and you really only came on to jump to colwag's defense.

[Greyscale]

My AJ argument still stands.
If it was all that easy, why wouldn't Dave be guzzling it out of one of those silly hats right now?

Well we never saw Dave's house in a dream with alpha Dave in it so it's perfectly possible that he hasn't been there yet.

Or, he is purposefully being appleblocked by horrorterrors.

Yes, that sounds plausible.

[Bram]

I really don't think we need concern ourselves with the age of the characters and how that may or may not have an influence over if they should or shouldn't be drinking. When you watch South Park, do you constantly think to yourselves, "Gosh, and to think these children are all ten years old! They shouldn't be doing this stuff!" or do you just laugh and enjoy the show?

[moonyLunacy]

It could have something do do with her plans with Kanaya, which may or may not have happened yet.

I also agree with this, since something strange should have happened for this to happen. We'll find out. Soon.

*nod* That too. It's still a possibility she's doing it for fun.

Yep. I'm waiting patiently for the next update. It would be funny if Kanaya was drunk as well if this is indeed totally recreational (Yeah, I'm totally fine with this, even though I'm American, 18 years old, and I have never drank because my parents would kill me.). I can see Karkat walking in and being all, "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING? ISN'T THAT BAD FOR HUMANS?" being all angry/concerned.... or also drunk. And giggling or doing something else totally un-Karkat like. I want to see Gamzee again, too, but I don't think he'll join in.

It rots your think pan, remember.

Do we actually know that? Was Roxy necessarily an alcoholic, or did she just drink a lot? They aren't the same thing, just saying. I don't think we know that Rose would have inherited any alcoholic tendencies.

. _. Yeah, I think I was just guessing there. I think her mom actually was an alcoholic, though.

[Ashendant]

I just found out I missed the whole conversation Dave and Rose have about her mixing up some beverages. And him demanding AJ (I know that feel Dave, I hate not having any juice around).

I thought the beverages she mentioned were going to be troll blood potions so they could use other aspects powers, much like Equius blood was used to hide information from Calliope.

Guess i was wrong and Rose just made some booze

[Conspicuous]

I don't believe in recreational drinking for any of these kids considering the following situations:

• Mom was an alcoholic whose habits were likely in part fueled by the fact that she was so bad at parenting.
• Roxy drank because she's incredibly lonely.
• Rose drank in an alternate timeline because it was incredibly boring.

These were the notable drinkers, to my knowledge, and they all drank in order to forget about their shitty situations.

So yeah, I'm not looking at Rose and thinking she's doing alright.